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Old 07-30-2009, 09:49 AM
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Google Money/Revolution/Etc. Scam

i signed up for one of the $2 google info products, not realizing i was being automatically signed up with several other products/services that charge $35 - $45 a month, EACH!

all the others have kindly reimbursed me, but socialtoolkit has taken the stance that if i agreed to the terms, wittingly or unwittingly, then they have every right to keep my money. they know full well that i am less than pleased, and that i plan on exposing their deceptive business practices, but apparently a quick $35 is more important to them than the reputation of their company; which they insist is legit!

what i find annoying enough is this new business practice of signing people up for services they don't even need, nor want, and then giving them a certain time period to cancel. but these guys have taken it to a whole new level of annoying! not only do you end up signed up for several services you don't need, nor want, but you have no idea which services they are until your credit card gets charged!!! there's no email sent, informing you of all the companies that now have you signed up, so that you can go and check them out and make an informed decision of whether or not you want to cancel. no, you're just expected to pull their websites out of your ass!!! you're just expected to know each and every company's website and length of trial period. all the while, these same companies claim to be involved in improving social networking! are they so daft to not realize their deceptive business practices do nothing to improve their own reputation amongst the social networking community???

shame on google for being part of, if not fully responsible for, this sort of deceptive business practice.


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Old 07-30-2009, 10:00 AM
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Re: Google Money/Revolution/Etc. Scam

It's not Google. It's scammers who are fraudulently using their name. There is another thread on here about google profits. Read that thread and act accordingly.



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Old 07-30-2009, 10:32 AM
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Re: Google Money/Revolution/Etc. Scam

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It's not Google. It's scammers who are fraudulently using their name. There is another thread on here about google profits. Read that thread and act accordingly.
While it is true that it is not Google who are doing these scams, part of blame is on Google for their attitude: "If we make some money from these scheme, we will not demand them to stop or not use our name".

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Old 07-31-2009, 12:14 PM
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While it is true that it is not Google who are doing these scams, part of blame is on Google for their attitude: "If we make some money from these scheme, we will not demand them to stop or not use our name".
Good point.

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Old 08-03-2009, 05:32 AM
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While it is true that it is not Google who are doing these scams, part of blame is on Google for their attitude: "If we make some money from these schemes, we will not demand them to stop or not use our name".
my thoughts, exactly.

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Old 08-03-2009, 07:57 AM
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I think it is difficult even for Google to keep track of all these scammers, and there is probably little they can do about it legally, otherwise I am sure they would go after them like a shark after its prey.

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Old 08-03-2009, 02:14 PM
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I think it is difficult even for Google to keep track of all these scammers, and there is probably little they can do about it legally, otherwise I am sure they would go after them like a shark after its prey.
They can go after them for using their trademark or forbid them from Adsense/Adword.

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Old 08-08-2009, 12:56 AM
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They can go after them for using their trademark or forbid them from Adsense/Adword.
Exactly.
They, will not, though.
Some of the affiliates are making $40,000 a month.
And trust me, the Google or other browsers that offer Adwords ads are making bank.
The Google Money ads and Profit ads show up on this site.
They take the attitude of turning the other check, or the blind eye, as long as any pain felt, is the bite of a mite. And the reward is a huge check at the end of the day.
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Old 08-10-2009, 01:29 AM
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Exactly.
They, will not, though.
Some of the affiliates are making $40,000 a month.
And trust me, the Google or other browsers that offer Adwords ads are making bank.
The Google Money ads and Profit ads show up on this site.
They take the attitude of turning the other check, or the blind eye, as long as any pain felt, is the bite of a mite. And the reward is a huge check at the end of the day.
Not true. Google started banning affiliates promoting such dodgy programs using the Google name in July.

You can read about it in the Google forums here:

Your Adwords Account Suspension


Google is perfectly willing to ban high-spending advertisers for the sake of their long-term business goals of providing a good user experience and a more relevant search engine.

They've done it in the past where affiliates spending $5,000-$10,000/day had their quality scores slapped so hard that they could barely spend anything at all.

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Old 08-11-2009, 02:26 AM
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Not true. Google started banning affiliates promoting such dodgy programs using the Google name in July.

You can read about it in the Google forums here:

Your Adwords Account Suspension


Google is perfectly willing to ban high-spending advertisers for the sake of their long-term business goals of providing a good user experience and a more relevant search engine.

They've done it in the past where affiliates spending $5,000-$10,000/day had their quality scores slapped so hard that they could barely spend anything at all.
This is a quote that I like and I do not think that Google is willing to lose the millions that they are making from all of the current advertised scams.

"Google was happy to take the advertising money for these so called "scams" for the last year or so, until the "scams" received some unwelcome media attention recently. They (Google) approved the ads, with full knowledge of the use of their Google name in the ads. And now they wish to act like they were all innocent to it. Give me a break!
As for CPA advertisers, how is it their fault that some of the offers were not kosher? There's nothing wrong with re-bills, it's a commercial fact. What was wrong was that some companies, not all, set out to purposely deceive the buyer. But how was the Google AW advertiser to know this was happening? They were only promoting a product that was on many legitimate CPA networks & approved by tacit consent from Google to run on their network. To now punish AW account holders is absurd, when it's obvious Google sanctioned these ads & the use of their name in both the ad & the product. Once again Google show that they are "evil" when it suits their bottom line."

If they really want to punish someone they need to help prosecute the owners that are creating the scam products, using their name, more than the affiliates that they are now punishing, although the affiliates are to blame as well. Affiliates should be aware of the product that they are helping to sell, and take responsibility for any repercussions that arise from those sales. But, I can understand how some of them never looked closely at the product just like the consumers who bought it, and thus unknowingly contributed to the scam. Some of the affiliates caught by this assumed, as did the consumers, that this was a legitimate offer for learning Adwords and Adsense, with Google's cooperation, since the Google had allowed the ads to run for nearly a year. In some cases the scams have run for over two years.

I really do not believe that they are doing anything about the other products, I have not seen this. I see the ads on Google Adwords still. If they were taking action against all of the Google scams then these ads would not be running.
It was the arrest and soon to be prosecuted case in Texas, Google Money Tree, that brought them to take an action, because they were also implicated by offering a platform for the ads. That is the only reason that Google decided to take an action. Not something idealistic or TOS that they suddenly decided to enforce.
Do you work for Google or something?
Because whenever I can I try to use other alternatives, like some of my friends who are also marketers.

Also, if you read all of the posts on your link and some of the forums there have been many advertisers that have been banned who did not promote the Google scams, with no explanation as to why.

Another, bothersome fact is that Google is still allowing the other scams that are now using Twitter rather than Google as the name they employ, with the same marketing tactics.
So, this is not an idealistic change of heart by Google. It is only due to all of the thousands of complaints and the limelight caused by the action taken in Texas and the FTC.
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Old 09-30-2009, 04:25 PM
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Re: Google Money/Revolution/Etc. Scam

well, i had rbc charge back socialtoolkit's charge. they (rbc) have now accepted socialtoolkit's claim that i ordered their cd, and have re-applied the charge to my visa account.

interestingly, the "evidence" they provided had my address wrong; which would of course explain why i never received the cd i never ordered. and better yet, they claim they have a voice recording of me providing them with my visa info, as well as my address, etc. i have requested a meeting with kris solis from socialtoolkit, to hear this recording.

best part is, they claim their high level of internet security proves i placed the order, because i would have had to have had the card on hand, in order to provide the cvv2 code, and i would have had to have provided the proper address associated with the card/account for their system to process the order. well, how come their great system didn't catch the fact that the address they have on file doesn't match the one on my account???

i'm hoping the folks at rbc have the good sense to see things just don't add up.


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