Ecoquest International

[openQuestion]

I just had a old friend join this company, Econquest International. Website looks legit, products sound feasible. Anybody know anything about this firm?

Go to Barnes & Noble and pick up a copy of Success From Home.
Ecoquest is featured this month. I bought a copy over the weekend.
Even if you're not interested in EcoQuest ( I'm not ) there are some
great articles from guys like John Maxwell and Paul J Meyer.

[Soapboxmom]

Size of Dealer Network (as of 4/1/2005)
Total Dealers Signed to date (since January 1, 2000): 278,024
Total Active Dealers (Order Activity in the last 12 months): 84,294

Leadership Levels (for the month of April, 2005)
Active holding the rank of Distributor / MIT: 7847
Active holding the rank of Manager: 2165

Company Paid Earnings In April 2005
# of Checks issued (by Rank) Total Amount Average Check
313 to Senior Dealers $16,392 $52.37
571 to Master Dealers $65,436 $110.54
498 to Fast-Start Distributors $125,383 $246.09
127 to TMIT (Managers In Training) $50,771 $392.02
483 to CMIT (Managers In Training) $165,127 $335.64
865 to Sales Managers $2,983,195 See below
(865 Managers above include all Managers, including those
minimally active and may only receive a check for a few dollars.) 3,433.53

Total Bonus Earnings (March, 2005) paid to Dealers by EcoQuest: $3,491,312
* Retail profits not included
**** Bonus Car included

Qualifi ed Sales Managers (3/2005)
(Qualifi ed means a Manager with 4 business legs monthly / Minimum Check Cut Off at $100)
Total Paid Bonuses $2,700,972
Average Annualized Income $93,946 / Year $7,828.90/month
Total Checks Paid 345

32 to Master Sales Managers $617,535 $19,297

4 of our Master Managers above have also reached the rank of Executive Master Sales Manager.
As a group these 4 have earned:
4 Executive Master Sales Managers $165,579 $41,394

Our highest rank, Presidential Master Manager, which 2 Master Managers have achieved,
earned as high as $100,000+ in many months. $201,053 $100,528

Company Financial Totals for 12 Months ending March 2004
Total Bonuses Paid $36,958,491
Total Sales - EcoQuest Holding Corporation Only $140,212,573
Retail Sales (Estimated*) $245,000,000.00

EcoQuest International is proud to offer this level of disclosure. We offer this information so each
potential business leader can make an educated assessment of our opportunity and what it could
potentially mean for them. It is our goal to develop 200 new Master Managers by the end of this
decade. Opportunity abounds!
Income Disclosure Statement
All figures calculated for the month of March/April, 2005

2895 getting checks shown out of 84,294. 278,024 total sign ups - 84,294 tells us 193,730 have dropped out since the company's inception in Jan 2000.
81,399 are paid what yearly????????????

Annual Payout
2 Presidential Master Managers $1,200,000
4 Executive Master Managers $1,986,948
32 Master Sales $7,410,420
345 Qualified Sales Managers $32, 411,370
865 Sales Managers $35,897,540
483 Managers in training $1,918,524
127 Managers in training $609,252
498 Fast Start Distributors $1,504,596
571 Master Dealers $785,232
313 Senior Dealers $196,704
_________________________
$83,920,586

Soapboxmom

[openQuestion]

Annual Payout
2 Presidential Master Managers $1,200,000 ($600,000/yr each)
4 Executive Master Managers $1,986,948 ($496,737/yr each)
32 Master Sales $7,410,420 ($231,575/yr each)
345 Qualified Sales Managers $32,411,370 ($93,946/yr each)
865 Sales Managers $35,897,540 ($41,500/yr each)
483 Managers in training $1,918,524 ($3972/yr each)
127 Managers in training $609,252 ($4797/yr each)
498 Fast Start Distributors $1,504,596 ($3021/yr each)
571 Master Dealers $785,232 ($1375/yr each)
313 Senior Dealers $196,704 ($628/yr each)
_________________________
$83,920,586

So, out of 84,294 reps actively working the business, it appears that 1,248 of them are making what I would consider a full-time living ($41k plus above) or better. 383 are making a "nice" income ($93k plus), 38 are making Big Bucks ($200k plus), and 81,346 of those active reps are making LESS than $628 per YEAR. Is that correct soapboxmom?? I'm not good at math!!

[Soapboxmom]

Originally Posted by openQuestion

Annual Payout
2 Presidential Master Managers $1,200,000 ($600,000/yr each)
4 Executive Master Managers $1,986,948 ($496,737/yr each)
32 Master Sales $7,410,420 ($231,575/yr each)
345 Qualified Sales Managers $32,411,370 ($93,946/yr each)
865 Sales Managers $35,897,540 ($41,500/yr each)
483 Managers in training $1,918,524 ($3972/yr each)
127 Managers in training $609,252 ($4797/yr each)
498 Fast Start Distributors $1,504,596 ($3021/yr each)
571 Master Dealers $785,232 ($1375/yr each)
313 Senior Dealers $196,704 ($628/yr each)
_________________________
$83,920,586

So, out of 84,294 reps actively working the business, it appears that 1,248 of them are making what I would consider a full-time living ($41k plus above) or better. 383 are making a "nice" income ($93k plus), 38 are making Big Bucks ($200k plus), and 81,346 of those active reps are making LESS than $628 per YEAR. Is that correct soapboxmom?? I'm not good at math!!

Excellent! Your figures are right on the money! You just have to check the first idiot with the calculator. Our 2 Presidential Master mangaers made over $100,000 a month each so I should show their combined annual salaries as 2.4 million smackaroos! So, they earned 1.2 million each. I do think it is very clever how they ignore the earnings of a mere 81,000 active reps.

Another fast way to figure the annual salary is to take the average monthly check figure they give and when you are done falling on the floor laughing just multiply that by 12. 1.5% are making a living off this thing if we agree 41k is a living. Another typical day in the world of MLM math!

Soapboxmom

[CowboyJimmy]

As far as the commission and payouts I can vouch for that. But, their products are not bad.

Many of the Air Purification Systems are sold by A/C Contractors.

So I would figure this would inflate the numbers alittle as far as income potential.

[PureLivingTech]

Lets not forget that these earnings that are posted are just company paid bonus earnings. Retail sales are not included. They are also just average checks. You get what you put into the business. Many of the dealers lose interest, give up, and do nothing. This will bring down the "average check amount" For example there were 571 senior dealers and the avg check was $110.00 It is possible that out of those 571 senior dealers maybe 100 actually did something for that month. Some could have recieved checks for $2000 for that month, some $1000, some maybe the $110, and the majority zero because they moved no product and recruited no new dealers. Someone who is a "master dealer" is pretty much a part-timer anyways. so lets look at this math..... lets say you get $750 in company bonus checks per month (providing you actually do something in the business) 750x12=9000, plus I make about 1000-1500 a month in retail sales so lets say $1250, so 1250x12=15000, ok now for a total of $24k a year. mind you this is part time. Ok now lets look at this math, I work in the business roughly 10 hrs a week for a total of 520hrs a year 24,000/520 = 46.15hr. How many of you make almost $50/hr??? People only call it a scam because you actually have to work hard to make money, it's not a handout. The money is out there, it's up to you to get it

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by PureLivingTech

Lets not forget that these earnings that are posted are just company paid bonus earnings. Retail sales are not included. They are also just average checks. You get what you put into the business. Many of the dealers lose interest, give up, and do nothing. This will bring down the "average check amount" For example there were 571 senior dealers and the avg check was $110.00 It is possible that out of those 571 senior dealers maybe 100 actually did something for that month. Some could have recieved checks for $2000 for that month, some $1000, some maybe the $110, and the majority zero because they moved no product and recruited no new dealers. Someone who is a "master dealer" is pretty much a part-timer anyways. so lets look at this math..... lets say you get $750 in company bonus checks per month (providing you actually do something in the business) 750x12=9000, plus I make about 1000-1500 a month in retail sales so lets say $1250, so 1250x12=15000, ok now for a total of $24k a year. mind you this is part time. Ok now lets look at this math, I work in the business roughly 10 hrs a week for a total of 520hrs a year 24,000/520 = 46.15hr. How many of you make almost $50/hr??? People only call it a scam because you actually have to work hard to make money, it's not a handout. The money is out there, it's up to you to get it

Perhaps soapboxmom would like to address this reasoning. As for me, I have never called any MLM a scam. I've called them some OTHER things, but not a scam.

[Soapboxmom]

Gentlemen,

The fact that 81,000 reps make less than $628 a year I think makes this very simple. The total retail sales were around 245 million and the actual sales by the company represented 140 million. The retail sales were 75% more than the actual sales. So, let's inflate every reps earnings. Let's divide that 105 million amongst the reps. If it is averaged out each rep would get $1296, but we know it will be distributed out in the fashion of the other earnings, so the guys on top will rake in massive amounts and the little guys will get their paltry share. We could probably take each reps current earnings and inflate them by 75% and get an idea where they really stand. We will still have 80,000 some odd reps making bubble gum money.

Remember earnings are not determined by hard work, but by your spot in the pyramid. Unless you are an originator of the venture, an early entrant or the recruiter from heck you are likely to make nothing. The 81,000 current reps not on the earnings tables and 193,000 failed reps tell the real story here! Our big earning friend is in the top 1%. I don't believe that 81,000 people are that lazy, but rather mathematically doomed.

Soapboxmom

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

I don't believe that 81,000 people are that lazy, but rather mathematically doomed.

It drives me insane when I hear people throw that "lazy" thing out there! Are there lazy people in the world? Yes! But aren't the VAST MAJORITY OF US out there every single day, rain or shine, going to a job and working our butts off to support our families? Yet these maroons in this business insist that these same hard-working individuals fail at network marketing because they are "lazy". What is wrong with this picture, people?? It just doesn't add up.

[PureLivingTech]

Soapbox, do you speak from experience? I am a "little guy" and I am making more than bubblegum money. I just made $300 last night and brought on a new partner for maybe an hour's worth of work. It is very possible to be successful in MLM, you just have to have perseverance. I dont say that 81,000 people are lazy, just a lot of people like to see results right away, and get discouraged when they lose sales. Many people dont handle rejection well. I was one of them, until I made a few sales, confidence was up, and things really started to pick up. Will I make it to the top? I dont know but I am sure going to give it a shot.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by PureLivingTech

Soapbox, do you speak from experience? I am a "little guy" and I am making more than bubblegum money. I just made $300 last night and brought on a new partner for maybe an hour's worth of work. It is very possible to be successful in MLM, you just have to have perseverance. I dont say that 81,000 people are lazy, just a lot of people like to see results right away, and get discouraged when they lose sales. Many people dont handle rejection well. I was one of them, until I made a few sales, confidence was up, and things really started to pick up. Will I make it to the top? I dont know but I am sure going to give it a shot.

I would venture to say that MOST people don't handle rejection well -- even professional salespeople do not like it. And I would venture to say that this fact alone make most MLMs untenable.

This is absolutly the funniest thread I have read on here. We are fighting because of the efforts people made (and or didn't make.)

We have to understand one thing here, these are bonus check figures. Not retail sales. It is very easy to see why many people earn only $684 a year in bonus commissions, with a product that is as good as it is, they simply do not recruit, or simply put care about the marketing MLM side of the business.

For instance, I have about 60 people on our team. The vast majority love the product and want nothing to do with MLM. That's ok with me. I have a partner who sold over 10,000 worth of product in one month alone. This figure will not show up on this outline.

We have to get beyond this. For the majority of those who come on board, most will sit at there computer, getting ready to get ready. I have worked with many people in this business over the last 7 years, so I know this is true.

Hey we have a proven plan to get you to manager, and to help you make any income you desire. I have seen over the years, most people just want to retail to supplement their incomes. :D

epsdirect
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Check out my testimonial letters! Our products are life changing!

In October Dr. James Marsden, Regent’s Distinguished Professor at Kansas State University, one of the top bio researchers in the nation and consultant to the US government on issues of bio-terrorism, presented studies conducted on Fresh Air to the USDA. Dr. Marsden has shared that many companies and organizations are contacting Kansas State because of this report. They are interested in how our technology can help solve issues they are dealing with caused by surface contamination.

EcoQuest is calling this study Phase I. This particular study was done to prove the effectiveness of Fresh Air by EcoQuest on surfaces (sinks, tables, countertops, doorknobs, that kind of thing) and has nothing to do with air purification. The results are stunning! Review results: http://fss.k-state.edu/research/repo...sden200510.pdf

The link above pulls the paper directly from the Kansas State University web site. You will see the studies were conducted on Fresh Air and our BreezeAT. Both units provided impressive results reducing contamination on surfaces with anywhere between a 1.5 log to 3.5 log difference (that’s like 90+% all the way past 99.9% reduction!) Clearly, the benefits of Fresh Air go far beyond cleaning air in our homes!

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by epsdirect

This is absolutly the funniest thread I have read on here. We are fighting because of the efforts people made (and or didn't make.)

First of all, nobody is "fighting". Just expressing opinions. Secondly, the fact is that if "most people" will not make the effort to build a networking business, that networking business is doomed to failure.

Originally Posted by epsdirect

We have to understand one thing here, these are bonus check figures. Not retail sales. It is very easy to see why many people earn only $684 a year in bonus commissions, with a product that is as good as it is, they simply do not recruit, or simply put care about the marketing MLM side of the business.

Or maybe they TRY to recruit and DO care about the networking end of the business, and simply do not have success at it.

Originally Posted by epsdirect

For instance, I have about 60 people on our team. The vast majority love the product and want nothing to do with MLM. That's ok with me. I have a partner who sold over 10,000 worth of product in one month alone. This figure will not show up on this outline.

Hey, that's cool. However, that ain't network marketing; that is SELLING.

Originally Posted by epsdirect

We have to get beyond this. For the majority of those who come on board, most will sit at there computer, getting ready to get ready. I have worked with many people in this business over the last 7 years, so I know this is true.

Yep, you are correct. And if "most will sit there," then by definition, a typical MLM pay plan is virtually a lock to fail.

Originally Posted by epsdirect

Hey we have a proven plan to get you to manager, and to help you make any income you desire. I have seen over the years, most people just want to retail to supplement their incomes.

As I have said many times in the past, most -- not all -- companies in this industry sell "the big dream", i.e., quit your job and retire. They do NOT sell this business as an "income supplement". And when "the big dreamers" actually begin the process of building that dream...and learn that "supplementing their income" is all they are likely to ever achieve (if even that), that's when the problems begin, and people begin to quit.

I wish you the best; you seem very level-headed. But MLM is an antiquated distribution method that is superfluous in today's internet-based society. If you wanna sell, sell. You can make some money doing that, at least.

I totally agree with you openQuestion.

I personally consider EcoQuest a retail sales distribution company, with hint of MLM. lol ;) That's b/c my experience has seen that so many just want to retail a unit and put a couple of hundred in their pocket.

To make an answer to one of your points, "Or maybe they TRY to recruit and DO care about the networking end of the business, and simply do not have success at it."

I agree and disagree. Let me explain. EcoQuest has a method that they teach to recruit. It deals with talking alot and even holding meetings. I think this is NOT duplicatable, as many cannot do this (or want to do this for that matter).

I disagree however since everyone in EcoQuest can plug into the Creating Wealth from Home system that (my friend) Greg Montoya and Jon Bender created. This system is so turn-key that we can easily predicate the results!

We have everything from proven lead generation tools (ie: TV, Radio, Internet, Direct Mail, and even a way to approach people that is FREE.) to websites, you name it we have it. We also conduct 8 CWFH training calls Mon. through Thur, so the support is there. If they are trying, they will have some success.

Take care buddy!

PS: I was j/king about the fighting. I meant to say, "Healthy Debate" ;)

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by epsdirect

I personally consider EcoQuest a retail sales distribution company, with hint of MLM. lol ;) That's b/c my experience has seen that so many just want to retail a unit and put a couple of hundred in their pocket.

Well, as I said, that's not the type of situation I've seen in my experience. But I don't know anything about EcoQuest, and hence won't judge that.

Originally Posted by epsdirect

To make an answer to one of your points, "Or maybe they TRY to recruit and DO care about the networking end of the business, and simply do not have success at it."
I agree and disagree. Let me explain. EcoQuest has a method that they teach to recruit. It deals with talking alot and even holding meetings. I think this is NOT duplicatable, as many cannot do this (or want to do this for that matter).
I disagree however since everyone in EcoQuest can plug into the Creating Wealth from Home system that (my friend) Greg Montoya and Jon Bender created. This system is so turn-key that we can easily predicate the results!
We have everything from proven lead generation tools (ie: TV, Radio, Internet, Direct Mail, and even a way to approach people that is FREE.) to websites, you name it we have it. We also conduct 8 CWFH training calls Mon. through Thur, so the support is there. If they are trying, they will have some success.
Take care buddy!
PS: I was j/king about the fighting. I meant to say, "Healthy Debate" ;)

Again, a marketing situation such as this is counter to what a "normal" MLM does (generally). We were always taught that "network marketing" means ALWAYS working with warm contacts, period. Once you leave the realm of warm market, you now become a salesperson rather than a network marketer. Of course, you can always develop a larger warm market by expanding your horizons and circle of acquaintances. But maybe that's just what I was taught.

[Nessloch]

Well, I checked out some information on Ecoquest, and here is a summary of some of the problems they've had in the past (courtesy of corporatenarc.com):


"EcoQuest are the manufactures of an air filtering machine that claims to relieve such breathing ailments as asthma, respiratory illnesses, and other various health problems.

It's parent company, Alpine Industries, is a multi-level marketing company. The company's president and chief executive officer is William J. Converse.

The best selling product of Alpine Industries and EcoQuest is the XL-15, “Fresh Air” machine which sells for approximately $599 per unit.

On April 18, 2000, The Federal Trade Commission and the Department of Justice filed a motion to hold EcoQuest and its' parent company Alpine Industries in civil contempt of a Court order issued in January 2000.

Earlier that year, a federal judge ordered EcoQuest Scam to stop claiming that its machines provide relief from any medical condition or, that they effectively remove or reduce a wide variety of air pollutants from indoor environments.

As a result EcoQuest placed the following warning on the side of their machines, "Field results may vary based on environmental conditions. This testing is not final or conclusive; therefore, the results do not constitute reliable scientific substantiation."

However, they did not stop making claims that the Fresh air machine relieves asthma and respiratory ailments.

EcoQuest retaliated by suing the Federal Trade Commission, claiming it was "harassing" the company. As a result The Federal Trade Commission, sued EcoQuest and the company was fined $1.49 million on the health claims charges.

Since then there have been many allegations that the EcoQuest “Fresh-Air” machine releases gasses harmful to children and people with breathing problems.

Some have claimed that the machine emits a toxic gas called Ozone. This gas is a major component in Smog. Ozone has been shown to damage the cells that line the nasal passages and lungs, making it difficult to breathe. It has also been shown to aggravate asthma symptoms.

These claims became so well known that The California Environmental Protection Agency issued a warning in January 2005. The warning advised consumers of the dangers involved with EcoQuest's popular "Air Purifying” machine.

A quote taken from the warning states that, "If a family were to leave these machines on constantly, it would be as though the family lived in a 24 hour/seven day week stage-one smog alert."


...


Now, being the skeptic that I am, I wasn't sold on this as a "fact" completely, so I google searched "EcoQuest federal trade" and found numerous results backing this claim. Obviously this doesn't mean that it's a BUSINESS scam, but I'd be wary of the product itself, and in accordance, the distributer.

I'm not one to scream "SCAM!" because, I think MAYBE, just maybe, they do have a good business system, and I don't want to put down the people who say it's a good business. Maybe it is. But beware. It's amazing what you come up with when you search "scam" next to the something. Go ahead and search "EcoQuest scam" on any search site, and you'll have quite the load of homework to do..

Since then there have been many allegations that the EcoQuest “Fresh-Air” machine releases gasses harmful to children and people with breathing problems.

I find this very interesting. What you are saying is that there are allegations that our products hurt children? I would suggest that instead of just "googling" that we try to uncover both sides of this story. In fact, you pulled the article off a website, did you do any research on the topic of Ozone?

At the center of the air purification issue is ozone, an often controversial and sometimes misunderstood ingredient that plays a small but important role in cleaning the air outdoors. Ozone, rather than being an original constituent of smog, simply appears as nature’s response to higher concentrations of chemical pollutants in static atmospheric conditions.

“Ozone is a part of our SynAirG, space-certified technology, but it is just that – a small part,” says Allen Johnston, the engineer who leads manufacturing at EcoQuest. “Many things, like sunshine and thunderbolts, have some ozone in the mix. We have thoughtfully included ozone into the design of our air purifiers right from the beginning. There is an enormous body of scientific data to support our decision to do so.” Proper settings for EcoQuest’s residential units produce ozone levels of .02 to .04 parts per million – well below what most governments have determined to be safe levels.

Ok, I know what your thinking, this is from EcoQuest. They will say what they want. Well here is an independent expert. According to American Academy of Allergy Asthma & Immunology (http://www.aaaai.org/) (and I quote): There was no increased risk for asthma in those playing sports in the communities with low ozone levels (RR=0.8).

Huh?? EcoQuest products when used CORRECTLY produce no more than .04 ppm of ozone, and the NORMAL outdoor of 0.8 ppm (well higer than 0.04 ppm) "has no risk for children with Asthma". ( read the article here: http://www.aaaai.org/aadmc/ate/category.asp?cat=975 ) - I know, this is not good enough. ;) - But at least it from the EXPERTS!

Now, bear in mind Ozone is a hot topic among the medical community. Our products have a feature that allow ozone to be omitted. In fact, you never need the ozone feature. The RCI cell that our units contain can kill bacteria!

Further, EcoQuest also market's a Fresh Air purifier that doesn't produce any ozone. So if Ozone is the problem, don’t buy it!

I just wanted to touch on one fact that I know. Alpine/EcoQuest has been around for 20 years. EcoQuest Living Air products are used by the US Pentagon (click to read - PDF), US Red Cross (click to listen) , millions of hospitals, day care centers, and well over 7 million homes/business.

In fact, Dr. Laura belives in our products! She is a radio host to millions. Click here to listen to an impromptu comment from Dr. Laura about Living Air.

More importantly I have a 4 year old daughter. If I didn’t believe in the products they wouldn’t be in home own home. These products are life changing. Here are just a few testimonial letters that I received from my customers.

Yes, one of these letters is from Macy’s – the same company that brings you The Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade and Macy’s 4th of July Fire Works Show! Testimonial Letters or click here: https://www.secure-session.com/files...al_Letters.pdf

In the end, there has NEVER been one lawsuit (and this includes by the US Gov’t) arguing the SAFTEY of the products. Why not?

Because when used correctly, they only put back what the normal levels of ozone that is found outside right now. There is a great website called: http://www.understandingozone.com - it's free and very informative. It's the same process that mother nature uses to clean the air. There is TWO sides to ozone. As in fire, too much will burn your home down, however when used "correctly" is so very vital to life on earth!

Yes, we were sued once. The law suit was only because of product claims, NOT safety. Ok, so we lost that law suit (but did we; we are now able to claim that we can reduce smoke and tobacco smoke - at it's source! - which does contain over 4,000 chemicals), but that's been it for the courts.

Guess what, the courts cannot come knocking anymore.

Here is the Proof We All Needed
In October Dr. James Marsden, Regent’s Distinguished Professor at Kansas State University, one of the top bio researchers in the nation and consultant to the US government on issues of bio-terrorism, presented studies conducted on Fresh Air to the USDA. Dr. Marsden has shared that many companies and organizations are contacting Kansas State because of this report. They are interested in how our technology can help solve issues they are dealing with caused by surface contamination.

EcoQuest is calling this study Phase I. This particular study was done to prove the effectiveness of Fresh Air by EcoQuest on surfaces (sinks, tables, countertops, doorknobs, that kind of thing) and has nothing to do with air purification. The results are stunning! Review results: http://fss.k-state.edu/research/repo...sden200510.pdf

The link above pulls the paper directly from the Kansas State University web site. You will see the studies were conducted on Fresh Air and our BreezeAT. Both units provided impressive results reducing contamination on surfaces with anywhere between a 1.5 log to 3.5 log difference (that’s like 90+% all the way past 99.9% reduction!) Clearly, the benefits of Fresh Air go far beyond cleaning air in our homes!

Our products are time tested, and now officially proven by the medical community. In fact, no agency ever stated that EcoQuest purifiers are unsafe.

Further, Mike Jackson (CEO and President of EcoQuest Intl.) featured with former Secretary of State Alexander Haig.
EcoQuest President and CEO Mike Jackson joined bio-issues expert Dr. James Marsden in an interview with Secretary of State Alexander Haig to be aired on television and radio. The interview took place Thursday, January 26 and covered a variety of topics important to families, the nation, and business.

EcoQuest is a great company with great products.

PS:

The EPA is the agency that has stepped in an started the articles about how "bad" ozone is. I live 10 minutes from the WTC.

This is the same agency that said the air was "safe to breathe" ( http://www.epa.gov/wtc/stories/headline_091801.htm ) months after 9/11. We all know this was false, and it was said so that people would go back to work on wall street. Our economy is more important than health.
These are great articles:

EPA Misled Public on 9/11 Pollution
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0823-03.htm

EPA misled public on 9/11 pollution
White House ordered false assurances on air quality, report says
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...3/MN300070.DTL

Google
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

I always take Gov't issued reports with a grain of salt. In fact I would never allow the Gov't to tell me what's safe. I leave that up to the experts.

We have heard of lobbyists, they are *****ful. Let's not forget, Honeywell and other filter companies would prefer EcoQuest not be on the map. We have been here for 20 years, and we will continue to grow, despite their efforts!

God Bless and Wishing you the best of success.

[Nessloch]

While I've been impressed with the abundance of support for EcoQuest (on other sites, as well), why is it that most are so damned defensive? That's my only problem so far. What's with all the hostility?? I did a search of Ecoquest on the ripoffreport, and while most of the posters are supporters of Ecoquest, they seem so passionate as to imply that they're desperate? I dunno. I could be wrong, but, it seems like if this were a legit opportunity for a majority, the people defending it would be less hostile. But that's just my gut feeling. I've been wrong before..

Hostile? I am not trying to be hostile. I apologize if that's I came across. I just tend to give a way too much details. I think it dates back to my days at NYU, they made us write way too much ;)

It's just a peeve of mine when people post info that dates back six (6) years. Don't take it personally.

Second, you wrote that

they seem so passionate as to imply that they're desperate? I dunno. I could be wrong

You have to understand one thing; we don't mean to come off like that. It's just that in an industry such as ours, where we help so many people, the Gov't won't even allow a professional who studies and understands ozone to speak at any conferences. All we read are neg. articles (some of which scientific data dates back to 1913 found on the EPA website!) on ozone.

I think Allen Johnston and Dr. Marsden sum up my frustration best.

Take care buddy! :D

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[Stupidity]

Originally Posted by openQuestion

It drives me insane when I hear people throw that "lazy" thing out there! Are there lazy people in the world? Yes! But aren't the VAST MAJORITY OF US out there every single day, rain or shine, going to a job and working our butts off to support our families? Yet these maroons in this business insist that these same hard-working individuals fail at network marketing because they are "lazy". What is wrong with this picture, people?? It just doesn't add up.

The vast majority of people are not just lazy, they are blind to reality too. This country is facing a financial crisis and it is doubtful that any of you are really paying attention to it.

It is like putting money in the bank. What a stupid thing to do. People are too lazy to educate themselves, so they never understand that the US dollar is not money. It is a currency. There is a big difference. If you put cash in the bank the value of that dollar actually goes down, even though you are earning interest.

We are FORCED to put our earned cash into social security. A program we all know will die a very painful death.

At the end of the day, not everyone is equipped to run their own business. Traditional or MLM. The reason is laziness. Most people will simply not do what it takes. They will not educate themselves. They will not make the sacrifices necessary. And that is all laziness.
I don't care where you are in life...you are exactly where you want to be. Because if you really wanted change...you would change.

Just because you go to work does not mean you are not lazy. Just because you are raising kids doesn't mean you are not lazy. Most people do exactly that, yet they are walking through their lives in a coma.

They don't like what they do, they don't get paid enough, and they have no hope of every being able to enjoy life as it was meant to be. They take more time to plan a 1 week vacation than they do their entire financial future. And then they whine and complain that they are not getting ahead. Pure laziness. Americans as a whole are terrible about this.

If I could expect an honest reply from people I would bet that 99% of people on this board fall into that catagory. I seriously doubt that any of you have sat down and really thought about your financial future in terms of what you need to live on, what you would want to live on, what you are willing and able to do to attain that. I doubt you have sat down with real financial advisors to see if you are realistic, or to get ideas to improve your plan. I doubt you sit with your advisors on a monthly/quarterly/yearly basis to make sure you are on track and to make adjustments.
Why don't people do this? Because it is easier to sit home in front of the TV eating Krispe Kreme.

It's pathetic.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

The vast majority of people are not just lazy, they are blind to reality too. This country is facing a financial crisis and it is doubtful that any of you are really paying attention to it.

It is like putting money in the bank. What a stupid thing to do. People are too lazy to educate themselves, so they never understand that the US dollar is not money. It is a currency. There is a big difference. If you put cash in the bank the value of that dollar actually goes down, even though you are earning interest.

We are FORCED to put our earned cash into social security. A program we all know will die a very painful death.

At the end of the day, not everyone is equipped to run their own business. Traditional or MLM. The reason is laziness. Most people will simply not do what it takes. They will not educate themselves. They will not make the sacrifices necessary. And that is all laziness.
I don't care where you are in life...you are exactly where you want to be. Because if you really wanted change...you would change.

Just because you go to work does not mean you are not lazy. Just because you are raising kids doesn't mean you are not lazy. Most people do exactly that, yet they are walking through their lives in a coma.

They don't like what they do, they don't get paid enough, and they have no hope of every being able to enjoy life as it was meant to be. They take more time to plan a 1 week vacation than they do their entire financial future. And then they whine and complain that they are not getting ahead. Pure laziness. Americans as a whole are terrible about this.

If I could expect an honest reply from people I would bet that 99% of people on this board fall into that catagory. I seriously doubt that any of you have sat down and really thought about your financial future in terms of what you need to live on, what you would want to live on, what you are willing and able to do to attain that. I doubt you have sat down with real financial advisors to see if you are realistic, or to get ideas to improve your plan. I doubt you sit with your advisors on a monthly/quarterly/yearly basis to make sure you are on track and to make adjustments.
Why don't people do this? Because it is easier to sit home in front of the TV eating Krispe Kreme.

It's pathetic.

Stupidity, you are obviously a very intelligent individual. Why do you feel the need to tear everyone else in the country (but yourself, I guess) down, pray tell? Do you really believe this stuff, or do you just do it for a reaction? Do you feel this way about the people YOU love? Your family and friends? Just curious, because from the way this reads, they would be included in your rant.

[Stupidity]

Because it is true. Unfortunately most people need to learn their lessons the hard way instead of learning from others experiences.

As far as believing what I have said, of course I do...it is all fact. Look at the actual numbers in this country...The US is arguably the richest country in the world and the end results at the age 65 are pathetic. And the vast majority of people are employees. It isn't the employers fault either. It is because people refuse to educate themselves. They would rather watch Friends, or Sex in the City than learn how to build true wealth and build security into their lives. Essentally they throw their lives away so the superstars can live in luxury. What a great financial plan.

As far as people I know and love...it's called tough love. I teach and mentor them if they wish. I show them how to handle their finances. I teach them how to create, build, and maintain wealth. But I do not accept any excuses. Nor do I listen to any complaining. If they don't want what I have to offer, they do not have to listen to me...but they know not to make a single complaint in front of me. Because they know they are too lazy to make it happen. No excuses.
Mediocrity is a trained response like Pavlov's dog. I expect and demand better.

Every human being in this world can accomplish anything they set their mind to. I don't care what it is. I think most MLM's like Quixstar, Mary Kay, and Amway suck. I think their payplans are terribly outdated and very difficult to make any money in.

Having said that I know for a fact that you, or anyone else can make them work. No exceptions. The questions are simply what are you willing to change and/or give up to make it happen. That rule holds true in all business, not just MLM. Everything worth having requires sacrifices.

I do not get angry or punish honest mistakes. Everyone makes those. I do all the time. What I do not understand is your insistance on being out here posting things that you and others do. Granted some companies are not legal and get shut down...that is a different issue we'll leave for another time...we are talking with those companies that are legal.

In you heart of hearts every one of you out here knows you could have made your program (no matter what it was) work. Our creator (God) made humans special in the animal kingdom. We can accomplish things others cannot. Zig Zigler once said "Anything the mind of man can concieve and believe, it can achieve"

The reason I post out here is because it is apparent to me that many of you have either never learned this, or have simply forgotten it.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Because it is true. Unfortunately most people need to learn their lessons the hard way instead of learning from others experiences.

But my friend, your statements MUST be, almost by definition, striking generalizations. Because you don't KNOW enough people personally to make such statements about "everyone" meaningful. Sorry. Blanket stats come from the media and other sources. Go out and talk to 1,000 people and then come back and tell me how many of them are lazy. That you'd have a right to speak on.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As far as believing what I have said, of course I do...it is all fact. Look at the actual numbers in this country...The US is arguably the richest country in the world and the end results at the age 65 are pathetic. And the vast majority of people are employees. It isn't the employers fault either. It is because people refuse to educate themselves. They would rather watch Friends, or Sex in the City than learn how to build true wealth and build security into their lives. Essentally they throw their lives away so the superstars can live in luxury. What a great financial plan.

Ok. But if everyone owned a business, who would work for us?

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As far as people I know and love...it's called tough love. I teach and mentor them if they wish. I show them how to handle their finances. I teach them how to create, build, and maintain wealth. But I do not accept any excuses. Nor do I listen to any complaining. If they don't want what I have to offer, they do not have to listen to me...but they know not to make a single complaint in front of me. Because they know they are too lazy to make it happen. No excuses.

Mediocrity is a trained response like Pavlov's dog. I expect and demand better.

I agree that excuses and complaints get you nowhere. Are you married, by the way? With children? Just curious.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Every human being in this world can accomplish anything they set their mind to. I don't care what it is.

Within reason.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I think most MLM's like Quixstar, Mary Kay, and Amway suck. I think their payplans are terribly outdated and very difficult to make any money in.

No doubt.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Having said that I know for a fact that you, or anyone else can make them work. No exceptions. The questions are simply what are you willing to change and/or give up to make it happen. That rule holds true in all business, not just MLM. Everything worth having requires sacrifices.

But the question for me is this: is it worth it? Is success in a business such as MLM worth the price of your soul? Because that's what I believe you need to give up in order to make it work. That's just my opinion. I just believe there are much better, more valuable ways to make a contribution to the planet. But then, I am a bit of an idealist I guess.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I do not get angry or punish honest mistakes. Everyone makes those. I do all the time. What I do not understand is your insistance on being out here posting things that you and others do. Granted some companies are not legal and get shut down...that is a different issue we'll leave for another time...we are talking with those companies that are legal.

I've never once gotten into the question of legality, and never will. Don't care.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

In you heart of hearts every one of you out here knows you could have made your program (no matter what it was) work. Our creator (God) made humans special in the animal kingdom. We can accomplish things others cannot. Zig Zigler once said "Anything the mind of man can concieve and believe, it can achieve"

Zig Zigler also said "close early, close often", which is just about the WORST advice I've ever heard on selling. No matter. And Stupidity, I can honestly say that, no, I do NOT believe that I could have made my program work. I have been successful at many other things in life, but I don't think I could've made this one work...without becoming something I don't wish to be.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

The reason I post out here is because it is apparent to me that many of you have either never learned this, or have simply forgotten it.

Your opinions are appreciated.

[Stupidity]

Originally Posted by openQuestion

Zig Zigler also said "close early, close often", which is just about the WORST advice I've ever heard on selling. No matter. And Stupidity, I can honestly say that, no, I do NOT believe that I could have made my program work. I have been successful at many other things in life, but I don't think I could've made this one work...without becoming something I don't wish to be.

That's why I feel sorry for you.

As for becoming something you don't wish to be...you have #1 proven my point. Everything worth having requires sacrifices. #2 You have said nothing about your program with this statement and everything about you as a person. Making that program work was a personal decision you made. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am not saying you are a bad person...I am just saying it was a choice that you made. It was not forced on you.

As far as generalizations...what's your point? I have talked to, and seen thousands of people. Both successful and not successful. The common thread is work ethic and laziness. If you don't realize that most people are lazy and walking through life in a coma...then that is you making a personal choice to rationalize your existence. hahahahahahaha (If that doesn't get a reaction, nothing will!!!)

Back to being serious...I know for a fact that humans can accomplish amazing things. The fact that you have to add the words "within reason" to that shows your character.

Humans can accomplish amazing things...end of discussion.
If you don't believe that...or you have to put limits on yourself so you can justify why you do or do not do certain things, then you are a loser. Plain and simple. And you being a loser is your choice. That's the beautiful thing about life...you can make a change any time you want. But you have to make that choice.

You are so busy protecting your ego and trying to avoid failure that you don't realize you can take the restrictor plate off your brain.

I am not feeding you some bs line about an MLM. I am giving you information about life. That's your problem...you can't seem to get your focus off these companies.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

That's why I feel sorry for you.

As for becoming something you don't wish to be...you have #1 proven my point. Everything worth having requires sacrifices. #2 You have said nothing about your program with this statement and everything about you as a person. Making that program work was a personal decision you made. Nothing more, nothing less.
I am not saying you are a bad person...I am just saying it was a choice that you made. It was not forced on you.

I feel sorry for you, too. I am not ashamed of my decision to not join the forces of evil. I have no problem making sacrifices for something of VALUE, and have done just that many times in my life. But to make sacrifices for something that I believe was a giant LIE, and just plain WRONG? What kind of person would that make me? I'm sure Hitler made lots of sacrifices to get where he got.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As far as generalizations...what's your point? I have talked to, and seen thousands of people. Both successful and not successful. The common thread is work ethic and laziness. If you don't realize that most people are lazy and walking through life in a coma...then that is you making a personal choice to rationalize your existence. hahahahahahaha (If that doesn't get a reaction, nothing will!!!)

My point was that only a total knucklehead would condemn an entire country as "lazy". What's THAT about??

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Back to being serious...I know for a fact that humans can accomplish amazing things. The fact that you have to add the words "within reason" to that shows your character.

There is real life, and there is fantasy. That's all I was pointing out. And since you obviously have little character yourself, because no one who treats others as you do CAN have character, nothing you could say here is gonna bother me one iota. I challenge you to still be standing after going through what I've had to deal with over the past few years. Ha ha yourself.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Humans can accomplish amazing things...end of discussion.
If you don't believe that...or you have to put limits on yourself so you can justify why you do or do not do certain things, then you are a loser. Plain and simple. And you being a loser is your choice. That's the beautiful thing about life...you can make a change any time you want. But you have to make that choice.

Yes, human being HAVE accomplished amazing things. But let's see you run a one-minute mile. Fantasy vs Reality. That was my point.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

You are so busy protecting your ego and trying to avoid failure that you don't realize you can take the restrictor plate off your brain.

Again, you go off making judgments about people you have no clue about. That really doesn't speak highly of your intellect or thought process, does it?

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I am not feeding you some bs line about an MLM. I am giving you information about life. That's your problem...you can't seem to get your focus off these companies.

What qualifies you to give anyone (strangers no less) advice about life, pray tell? What experiences have you had that give you that right? I think if you are gonna go off spouting about how we should live our lives, that you ought to post a resume so that we can appreciate your genius. How old are you? What have you done? Tell us about your family. Etc. Otherwise we have no reason to listen to a word you say.

[Stupidity]

Did you just say..."Forces of Evil" And you expect "us" to listen to you now?

I don't suppose you would like to get down off that soapbox now? Perhaps you are taking things just a bit too far? Over the deep end of the pool even...

As for my credentials, you and have spoken at length, and I have told you the answer to every one of your questions already. Although I have not posted my resume. I actually do not need one since I do not have a job...I am an investor if you'll recall.

As for the US being lazy...This is a "I want a hand-out soceity." Where do you think pensions and social security came from? Those are very "lazy" programs. The returns you get from those programs SUCK SH*T. But MOST people would rather have their company take care of them, or Uncle Sam take care of them instead of educating themselves about money and finances. LAZY.

The way this world works right now you have 2 choices in life. You can work hard during your youth to get ahead. You will have to make sacrifices now, and they may be painful. If you do things correctly you will not need to worry about healthcare or retirement. You will have taken care of yourself.

The second choice is to play now. Expect things to happen later. (magically). Watch TV now. And generally do the things you want to do and be happy. Like many of you I would imagine. :-) (LAZY)
The problem with that is what will happen. Healthcare costs are on the rise. Companies will not be able to afford it long. Retirement costs are on the rise. The value of the dollar is going way down. This way of doing things will lead to an early death or working until the day you die.

It is the old story of the grasshopper and the ant.

In this day and age, unless you are making a 6-figure income from your job by the age of 30-35...you have no hope of retirement. Even if you are a good saver. Your gross income (Not your NET) is just not big enough to sustain a comfortable retirement.

If you want to live on $100,000 per year in your retirement you will need to have almost $3,000,000 in the bank earning about 4% interest.

How much do you think $100,000 will be worth in 30 years with inflation?

I feel sorry for so many people because they are blind to what is happening in the real world. And they are not willing to simply educate themselves.

To bring this all back on topic. I do think MLMs are a great training ground. They can help teach you very important skills that real business requires. Basic sales and networking are vital in any career. It is an effective and cheap way to learn...which gives the potential to earn.
Having said that I have never even seen the ecoquest plan and do not endorse them specifically. What company you choose should be based on the what you like about it, and your ability to sell the product.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Did you just say..."Forces of Evil" And you expect "us" to listen to you now?

Umm, I guess you have a slightly underdeveloped sense of humor. That was a joke. I was a big comic book reader when I was a youngster. Superman, Batman, Spiderman, etc.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I don't suppose you would like to get down off that soapbox now? Perhaps you are taking things just a bit too far? Over the deep end of the pool even...

I'll stay on my soapbox as long as I want to. Free country last time I checked.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As for my credentials, you and have spoken at length, and I have told you the answer to every one of your questions already. Although I have not posted my resume. I actually do not need one since I do not have a job...I am an investor if you'll recall.

Well, some specifics would be nice. But it doesn't really matter to me.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As for the US being lazy...This is a "I want a hand-out soceity." Where do you think pensions and social security came from? Those are very "lazy" programs. The returns you get from those programs SUCK SH*T. But MOST people would rather have their company take care of them, or Uncle Sam take care of them instead of educating themselves about money and finances. LAZY.

Repeat after me: this is a lazy society IN MY OPINION. Because that's all you are giving us. Yes, same as I am,

Originally Posted by Stupidity

The way this world works right now you have 2 choices in life. You can work hard during your youth to get ahead. You will have to make sacrifices now, and they may be painful. If you do things correctly you will not need to worry about healthcare or retirement. You will have taken care of yourself.

The second choice is to play now. Expect things to happen later. (magically). Watch TV now. And generally do the things you want to do and be happy. Like many of you I would imagine. :-) (LAZY)
The problem with that is what will happen. Healthcare costs are on the rise. Companies will not be able to afford it long. Retirement costs are on the rise. The value of the dollar is going way down. This way of doing things will lead to an early death or working until the day you die.

It is the old story of the grasshopper and the ant.

In this day and age, unless you are making a 6-figure income from your job by the age of 30-35...you have no hope of retirement. Even if you are a good saver. Your gross income (Not your NET) is just not big enough to sustain a comfortable retirement.

If you want to live on $100,000 per year in your retirement you will need to have almost $3,000,000 in the bank earning about 4% interest.

How much do you think $100,000 will be worth in 30 years with inflation?

I feel sorry for so many people because they are blind to what is happening in the real world. And they are not willing to simply educate themselves.

To bring this all back on topic. I do think MLMs are a great training ground. They can help teach you very important skills that real business requires. Basic sales and networking are vital in any career. It is an effective and cheap way to learn...which gives the potential to earn.
Having said that I have never even seen the ecoquest plan and do not endorse them specifically. What company you choose should be based on the what you like about it, and your ability to sell the product.

I can't argue about what you state here, because it's all pretty much on the money. But my suggestion to you would be this: if you truly have something to offer to people, present some SOLUTIONS to the problem rather than simply bemoaning it. Because I DON'T happen to feel that MLM training, though having some value, is the answer to these issues. Hey, teach a class. Mentor a young person you like (not like VISALUS is doing, please!). Do something constructive instead of focusing on the negatives, and on how dumb or lazy peopl are. Hey, become a teacher and make a difference.

[Stupidity]

I am offering a solution.
Stop being fat lazy tv watching slobs. problem solved.
Don't watch the apprentice...go become the apprentice.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I am offering a solution.
Stop being fat lazy tv watching slobs. problem solved.
Don't watch the apprentice...go become the apprentice.

Does that really work?? Let me try one:

"Mr. Bush -- STOP THE WAR IN IRAQ". There! Another problem sol-ved.

[Stupidity]

I always thought democrats were fat lazy tv watching slobs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I always thought democrats were fat lazy tv watching slobs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Where does it say I'm a Democrat? I just happen to not like people who match your monicker on this site, and that guy fits it to a "T". Here, enjoy some of these actual quotes:

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country. "
- George W. Bush

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- George W. Bush

" One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is ' to be prepared '."
- George W. Bush

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future. "
- George W. Bush

" The future will be better tomorrow."
- George W. Bush

" We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
- George W. Bush

" I stand by all the misstatements that I've made. "
- George W. Bush

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe We are a part of Europe."
- George W. Bush

" Public speaking is very easy."
- George W. Bush

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
- George W. Bush


"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur. "
- George W. Bush

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- George W. Bush

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children. "
- George W. Bush

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and ***** that are doing it."
- George W. Bush

" It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- George W. Bush

You want THIS running your country??????????

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Stupidity]

The problem with what you are saying is simple.
When he was running for office it was obvious to everyone he was not the smartest person in the world. It isn't like he ran on a campaign of "brilliance". I don't think he was ever a candidate for MENSA.

He didn't win because he was smart...he won because Gore was a bigger idiot...and Kerry had no campaign. For the last 8 years the entire democrat campaign is "I disagree with everything the republicans say". Right or wrong, that ain't how you win people over.

As for who I want running the country...at this point, that is actually completely irrelevent. The fact is Mr. Bush IS running the country. And he was voted in by the American people in a free democratic election. Something many people in this world never get to do.

I also know that he will be gone soon enough. And then Hillary can run for office and you'll be happy.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

The problem with what you are saying is simple.
When he was running for office it was obvious to everyone he was not the smartest person in the world. It isn't like he ran on a campaign of "brilliance". I don't think he was ever a candidate for MENSA.

Well, it obviously WASN"T obvious to everyone or he wouldn't have been elected -- unless people like and vote for "stupid". You tell me. I always vote for the person who I think is going to do the best job, the one who is most on the ball. Doesn't matter to me what party is written next to his/her name. And of course, it's still a crap shoot.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

He didn't win because he was smart...he won because Gore was a bigger idiot...and Kerry had no campaign. For the last 8 years the entire democrat campaign is "I disagree with everything the republicans say". Right or wrong, that ain't how you win people over.

I absolutely agree with that one.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

As for who I want running the country...at this point, that is actually completely irrelevent. The fact is Mr. Bush IS running the country. And he was voted in by the American people in a free democratic election. Something many people in this world never get to do.

I don't understand WHY he was voted in, and I'm not even sure he WAS voted in based on some of the shenanigans that went down back then (though that is ***** under the bridge and I don't dwell on it). But I do KNOW he is a total dolt who has done very badly at the job for which he was "hired". Not that there's anything I can do about it at this point.

Originally Posted by Stupidity

I also know that he will be gone soon enough. And then Hillary can run for office and you'll be happy.

Oh yes, Hillary Clinton is just what we need right about now. She has no shot of election, and hopefully the Democrats have the sense to know that.

[Stupidity]

Personally I hope Hillary wins all the primaries. Then we'll have a republican president again. Hopefully a bit brighter than Bush though.

[openQuestion]

Originally Posted by Stupidity

Personally I hope Hillary wins all the primaries. Then we'll have a republican president again. Hopefully a bit brighter than Bush though.

Whomever wins, let's hope they have a plan.

[pacrain]

Originally Posted by openQuestion

I just had a old friend join this company, Econquest International. Website looks legit, products sound feasible. Anybody know anything about this firm?

You said it all. Don't procrastinate go for it. Been with them for 8 years. Not easy but sales are very profitable and bonuses are great!! But you have to work and put forth an effort. They won't come to you.

[samuria]

Originally by pacrain .....

You said it all. Don't procrastinate go for it. Been with them for 8 years. Not easy but sales are very profitable and bonuses are great!! But you have to work and put forth an effort. They won't come to you.....

How much did you make monthly when u started....estimate!!!.......I'm thinking about joining. A little info will help....

[Han G Thesobs]

3 yrs ago I was introduced to their purifier thru a fair. I got the trial period, it eliminated my '2' teen boys smelly rooms(20 minutes), and then after I used it on NUKE "sanitize" for 2 hours to get rid of an odor that had been in our bedroom for over 5 years and was covered up by paint and carpet soap when we bought it. Don't know if it needed the 2 hours but the odor was over 5 years old! Wow, what a difference it made. Never came back, still don't know what it was.

Kids quit using their inhalers immediately, went from 4 per month to 4 in 1 year.

MONEY!!!!

You ONLY buy what you sell! You can let people use a trial unit, have it shipped directly to them (used by advertisers with Dr. Laura) or buy a few and sell them as you see fit.

These numbers ARE NOT recorded and divulged by Ecoquest. As a dealer, they have NO idea what dealers made after they bought the machine.

This is a business- The "CHECKS" so many are asking about or complaining about has to do with "BONUS" programs. Most dealers DON'T do bonus programs, they just sell 1 to make a few hundred bucks every week or so. Bunuses come into play when you get people to become dealers under you and THEY sell. So when I sold more than $5,000 worth of machines for 3 months straight my MGR had no idea what I sold them for, but HE sure got some nice checks! Just like any business, the more people you have under you (doing work-selling ;) the more you make- in checks. Also they lease a car for you if you get 3 dealers doing x-amount of work per month and you have x-amount of sales yourself. You can manipulate some of the numbers to help you qualify by moving them around. I would rather have a million people making me $1 that one making me $1,000,000. If one quits....

I thought the story of the company was a scam at first, (the religious part) and the health parts were NEVER mentioned to me. I was told "it might help."

It has now helped every member in our families, given me great tax write-offs. (I travel a lot.) AND...Made me more than a few bucks. I also advertise on my new car(deductible). Mostly personal cash/card sales.

What ISN'T being told is that they now are using NASA technology, got Space Certified, and their newest Fresh Air now REDUCES ozone in a room that has too much! Pretty cool. From a regent at Kansas State University, where they have a Phase 2 Bio- Hazardous materials wing who is testing the Fresh Air in different environments. (Building a Phase 3) Dr James Marsden has already come out with a finding on how it kills surface bacteria and germs JUST using the new RCI Space tech, not ozone as the original study showed, suposed to be close to the end of the airborne pathogens study, if not already...see, I don't make it a full time job.

The best part? I'm involved with a deal to get the government to recognize and ask for Ecoquest products or other products that do what Ecoqest's do. (The hurricanes and flooding are producing unheard of levels of mold and toxins) In other words, it looks like they are going to make Ecoquest's "effectiveness" the standard.

Sorry look-alikes and name-sames. If you don't buy/develope the technology, don't expect to get the same results, get repeat orders from the same customers, or sell to the pro's.

For the "O"h-my-God-"zoners" who think that Ozone (O-3) is pollution, they should listen or read "new" science. Use an OLD periodic chart of the elements. Ask themselves why millions haven't died from these (7 million sold) machines or thunderstorms, which create a lot more ozone than the machines. (No asthmatic even goes to the emergency rooms after a ozone/thunderstorm.) Look up the ozone levels after a storm on the US weather service site. No medical claims against them either! Call Tennessee. I also googled the original study that all the rest quote and found that it did NOT say ozone was pollution, the people who later quoted the study just quoted/summarized what they wanted.

Go ahead, check out all those 'studies' and google the repeated wording, I did.

I am already retired and only added selling these for my friends and family's sake and the GREAT tax write-offs, PLUS it only costs $35 to be a dealer. I've sold quite a few more than that since.

Oh yeah. I have to mention the vitamins, since they were designed so well that over 10 Pro Sports franchises have switched to using them along with other Gold medalist athletes and pro sports figures.

Why mess with the rest when others have tested and found the best? Remember the 2001 World Series? Both teams were using Infinity2 supplements. Still are as far as I know.

I also mentor some businesses that have no knowledge of taxes, business law, marketing, sales, real estate, etc.

My regular health/supplements websight is www.vitacentral.com
My tax writeoff and Eco-Info site is www.ecoquestintl.com/gewininc
Gewin Inc is my private corporate name.

The site provides links to my family and friends and customers for documents, manuals, products, Infinity2 vitamin sales (15% off) and dealer information/sales info. $13 per month. Plus they can e-mail me from there for more information.

Good luck in your own life.

The Han G Thesobs? It's how I feel about crooked politicians!

[worn T-Shirt]

Stupidity, If you decide to change your life by not being one of the majority who just want to enjoy it for what it is go ahead and live in your world of dreams and schemes. If everyone stopped working and set up by themselves or we all brought into this em*****ism crap the only people getting stinking rich would be the so called gurus. One thing I've never got my head round is WHO on earth would want to be an "employee" of an MLM. After all their company is telling us all we have a JOB (just over broke .... boy I hate that) and yet surely they have staff who do the very thing we are told we are worthless doing. 9-5 mundane work. Surely if the opportunity was so lucrative wouldn't all the minions leave to set up on their own. There will always be Generals and foot soldiers. The world could not exist if everyone took the self creation route.

[Han G Thesobs]

Stupidity, If you decide to change your life by not being one of the majority who just want to enjoy it for what it is go ahead and live in your world of dreams and schemes.

Say what? In case you haven't heard, we ALL get double and triple taxed. The only way I know to stop or reduce that is to LEARN how. THAT is Not a scheme, the tax code IS!
Whereas in the beginning 80% of all taxes were paid by corporations, now over 80% is paid by individuals. Not RICH individuals like George 1 & 2 or Arnold, or rich corporate individuals (new laws) like Haliburton and Exxon.

If you don't want to know how to play the REAL game of monopoly, then you should belong to one of those fundamentalist churches that believe you should give everything that you make to them, just like the government, ******, and oil companies. I suppose you also don't believe in shopping for the best deals in cars, ******, phone service, etc? Just go on your own and be happy! THAT's funny! ALL those ideas and competitors were SCHEMES at one time too. I call it having a good idea, woking to make it work, profitting off it and getting tons of tax breaks at the same time. Read the tax code, the government WANTS you to have your own business IF your smart enough to take advantage of and learn the rules of it. But then teaching the rules would be a scheme to you.

[b]If everyone stopped working and set up by themselves or we all brought into this em*****ism crap the only people getting stinking rich would be the so called gurus.

I don't think that everyone or even ANYONE tells people to stop everything and BUY into a MLM. I paid a WHOPPING $35 to get a dealer # and get to deduct trips, meals, gas, vehicles, and entertainment....WHY? Because the government TOLD me to. The tax breaks are YOUR reward. You're going to eat, sleep, take vacations, and drive to make money- you might as well be able to deduct a lot of it. Thanks to Ronnie and GHW of the 80's, J-O-B- people got screwed. They were told by the wealthy that it would be "better for them" to cut out employee expenses... OUR biggest deductions... , make tax cuts for the wealthy, and reduced the highest tax rates down to the middle class rates. Over 35% cut!

Em*****ism crap?

I think telling people to just be happy is fascist crap. Our pockets are being picked hourly, our debt raising every minute and you want everybody to just be happy? Sounds like Hitler to me. What's up? Are YOU one of the wealthy ones that need the slaves to make YOU money? Do you have any college education or is THAT a scheme to you too?

One thing I've never got my head round is WHO on earth would want to be an "employee" of an MLM.

I agree whole heartedly and there are some MLM's that totally qualify as just that, BUT- not all MLM's are created equally. I tried a few others. Tough sell to get people to change their ****** companies and phone companies for nickles in real income. Great product, lots of work, lousy profits for ME!

But when I decided I wanted to buy this product because it stopped my kids from having asthma attacks and got rid of their room smells, I wanted it at wholesale. So I paid my $35 and saved $150. Hello? No scheme, except to get it at a cheaper price with a warrantee and be able to call the guy for info when I wanted. After months my family all wanted one too and so it went. No get rich, or schemes, just helping my family and friends. Do I work for Ecoquest? I guess YOU would think so, but they haven't fired me for doing nothing most of the time. I sure don't let them WRITE ME OFF as an expense.

...and yet surely they have staff who do the very thing we are told we are worthless doing.

2 parter-

a) I've NEVER in my 52 years EVER heard a MLM person say that jobs were worthless. "NOT the best/easiest way to make money" maybe! "A waste of time" if you could be doing something in less time and making MORE money so you could "just be happy". But they ALL said to do it part-time until you get trained and good at it enough to replace your job.

b) Hm... they have a staff...YEP! It's called leveraging YOUR time. Have lots of people making some money for you. I pay a CPA to leverage MY time and HIS knowledge. That's how the real game is played. Of course I get to write HIM off as... an expense!

Surely if the opportunity was so lucrative wouldn't all the minions leave to set up on their own.

Notice- MOST people are NOT cut out to be on their own! Not all people can HACK it, don't KNOW how, were never told they could, or want to.

Over 50% of all people don't have a clue on how the real game is played. Some people don't even CARE about making more than they already make, some are just happy to get the beer and or weed and go chill after 8-12 hours. If that's all you want, some one will pay you what they think you're worth to make them money. Some are wealthy, learn to steal from the system, party all the time, and let the population pay their way. Like some of the latest politicians in the news lately.

The less you want in life the less they're willing to pay. In fact, the government wants most people to stay dependent on corporations, that's why they keep letting more illegal aliens in to do construction, landscaping, etc... Oh yeah, and picking fruit which is getting more and more automated.

Bottom line- $35 to be able to buy some of the greatest/newest products just made available at a wholesale price. No quantity to keep buyng. No loss of levels unless you don't pay your $35 each year. If you can't figure out a hundred times that in tax writeoffs(following the laws) then you SHOULD NOT BE ON YOUR OWN or you could PAY someone to TEACH you the laws/rules (SCHEMES).

Oh yeah, don't do it if all you want to do is a "bad" scheme! Do it if you want to cut taxes, get healthier, pay less for products that work according to non-biased professionals... uh "good" scheme!

And please, don't sell people that their world can't be made any better, or that they have no choice, or that all businesses are bad. I'd have shot myself a long time ago if that were true.

Money doesn't grow on tree, opportunity does. The trick is learning to recognize it and knowing when to pick it. LLD 1998 ;)

[Han G Thesobs]

Stupidity, If you decide to change your life by not being one of the majority who just want to enjoy it for what it is go ahead and live in your world of dreams and schemes.

Say what? In case you haven't heard, we ALL get double and triple taxed. The only way I know to stop or reduce that is to LEARN how. THAT is Not a scheme, the tax code IS!
Whereas in the beginning 80% of all taxes were paid by corporations, now over 80% is paid by individuals. Not RICH individuals like George 1 & 2 or Arnold, or rich corporate individuals (new laws) like Haliburton and Exxon.

If you don't want to know how to play the REAL game of monopoly, then you should belong to one of those fundamentalist churches that believe you should give everything that you make to them, just like the government, ******, and oil companies. Don't you believe in shopping for the best deals in cars, ******, phone service, etc? Or is it only "Just go on your own and be happy!" THAT's funny! ALL those were SCHEMES at one time. I call it finding a good idea, making money off it, and getting tons of tax breaks at the same time. Read the tax code, the government WANTS you to have your own business IF your smart enough to take advantage of and learn the rules of it. But then teaching the rules might be a scheme'' or 'em*****ing' to you.

[b]If everyone stopped working and set up by themselves or we all brought into this em*****ism crap the only people getting stinking rich would be the so called gurus.

I don't think that everyone or even ANYONE tells people to stop everything and BUY into a MLM. I paid a WHOPPING $35 to get this dealer # and get to deduct trips, meals, gas, vehicles, and entertainment....WHY? Because the government TOLD me to. The tax breaks are YOUR reward. You're going to eat, sleep, take vacations, and drive to make money- you might as well be able to deduct a lot of it. Thanks to Ronnie and GHW of the 80's, J-O-B- people got screwed. They were told by the wealthy that it would be "better for them" to cut out employee expenses... OUR biggest deductions... , make tax cuts for the wealthy, and reduced the highest tax rates down to the middle class rates. Over 35% cut!

Em*****ism crap?

I think telling people to just be happy is fascist crap. Our pockets are being picked hourly, our debt raising every minute and you want everybody to just be happy? Sounds like Hitler to me. What's up? Are YOU one of the wealthy ones that need the slaves to make YOU money? Do you have any college education or is THAT a scheme to you too?

One thing I've never got my head round is WHO on earth would want to be an "employee" of an MLM.

I agree whole heartedly and there are some MLM's that totally qualify as just that, BUT- not all MLM's are created equally. I tried a few others. Tough sell to get people to change their ****** companies and phone companies for nickles in real income. Great product, lots of work, lousy profits for ME!

But when I decided I wanted to buy this product because it stopped my kids from having asthma attacks and got rid of their room smells, I wanted it at wholesale. So I paid my $35 and saved $150. Hello? No scheme, except to get it at a cheaper price with a warrantee and be able to call the guy for info when I wanted. After months my family all wanted one too and so it went. No get rich, or schemes, just helping my family and friends. Do I work for Ecoquest? I guess YOU would think so, but they haven't fired me for doing nothing most of the time. I sure don't let them WRITE ME OFF as an expense.

...and yet surely they have staff who do the very thing we are told we are worthless doing.

2 parter-

a) I've NEVER in my 52 years EVER heard a MLM person say that jobs were worthless. "NOT the best/easiest way to make money" maybe! "A waste of time" if you could be doing something in less time and making MORE money so you could "just be happy". But they ALL said to do it part-time until you get trained and good at it enough to replace your job.

b) Hm... they have a staff...YEP! It's called leveraging YOUR time. Have lots of people making some money for you. I pay a CPA to leverage MY time and HIS knowledge. That's how the real game is played. Of course I get to write HIM off as... an expense!

Surely if the opportunity was so lucrative wouldn't all the minions leave to set up on their own.

Notice- MOST people are NOT cut out to be on their own! Not all people can HACK it, don't KNOW how, are never shown how, or want to.

Over 50% of all people don't have a clue on how the real game is played. Some people don't even CARE about making more than they already make, some are just happy to get the beer and/or weed and go chill after 8-12 hours. If that's all you want, some one will pay you what they think you're worth to make them money. Some are wealthy, learn to steal from the system, party all the time, and let the population pay their way. Like some of the latest politicians and CEO's in the news lately.

The less you want in life the less they're willing to pay. In fact, this government wants most people to stay dependent on corporations, that's why they keep letting more illegal aliens in to do construction, landscaping, etc... Oh yeah, and picking fruit which is getting more and more automated.

Bottom line- $35 to be able to buy some of the greatest/newest products just made available at a wholesale price. No quantity to keep buyng. No nasty phone calls. No threats of loss of level unless you don't pay your $35 each year. If you can't figure out a hundred times that in tax writeoffs(following the laws) then you SHOULD NOT BE ON YOUR OWN or you could PAY someone to TEACH you the laws/rules (SCHEMES).

Oh yeah, don't do it if all you want to do is a "bad" scheme! Do it if you want to cut taxes, get healthier, pay less for products that work according to non-biased professionals... uh "good" scheme!

And please, don't sell people that their world can't be made any better, or that they have no choice, or that all businesses are bad. I'd have shot myself a long time ago if that were true. I now spend about 3-4 hours total to make an extra $300-$400. Sometimes it's an hour. But then I'm rather new and don't need the money.

Money doesn't grow on tree, opportunity does. The trick is learning to recognize it and knowing when to pick it. LLD 1998 ;)

[Han G Thesobs]

BTW-

If all you want to do is just sit back and enjoy, why are you bothering to complain? That's hypocrisy! Dreams? Everyone should have them, you're dead if you don't. Even crackheads have them. My Scheme? Getting healthy and paying less money for it and less to the government.
Some scheme.

Sounds like you just want more people to be just like you.

I really would like it if ALL people DID wake up to reality and what's going on around them. Maybe then we could get on with being able to live together without killing more poor and uneducated people off other every so many years to make special interests more wealthy and *****ful.

[breathingeasyindoors]

As a stay at home Mom, I've found EcoQuest's air purifier solve many everyday problems in our home with cooking odors, pet odors, urine/bedwetting odors, sanitizing of bacteria away thus obviously fewer respiratory ills in my 6 kids than ever before, plus a purifier is a tool to sanitize our vehicles with, garage, basement, etc. Since Nov. 2002 I've enjoyed helping others solve such real life problems.

Now our new laundry technology enables me to not have to buy detergents, softeners, bleach, hot ***** or pre-sort clothes before I wash them any more.

My countertop kitchen faucet ***** purifier gives us fresh spring tasting ***** right from the tap....purifying showerhead removes chlorine so safe for showering as I don't want carcinogenic chlorine leaching into my body with each shower or bath.

I think their $49 annual dealer license fee is very reasonable. I've listened to their live conference calls at 641.793.7500 passcode 546009# Mon. - Friday at 9 p.m. cst. for over 3 years and found very good support and training and live testimonials on there.

Their two-day success institutes once a month for just $50 .... are excellent...the meals alone are worth that.

Their try-before-you-buy approach lets people know for sure their purifiers work BEFORE they decide to keep them.

I love EcoQuest...you would too. :)

[paul1h]

Hello, I read your remarks about Ecoquest. I haven't seen very many on here that are very positive. I have been thinking about joining to replace income due to reduction in work force with my company. From what I've seen very few people make a living at this. Paul H

[soulm84]

I have been in this business for three years and have decided to shut down operations.

The company is not a scam for sure, and the products work pretty well. I think that sometimes the products fail for some customers, but never die for others.

The other part of this business, the (MLM) part of it, well, like the retail end, it's not for everyone.

If you are not an outgoing personality, and have a huge warm market (people you know) then this could be risky for you.

You can start for just $50 now, and then buy a machine at wholesale cost. Let some of your warm market try it, and see if they are interested. If it helps them, they'll buy it. But you can start with a Flair which is the small unit that has the necessary technology to get started. The flair only retails for $349.00 and your cost as a dealer is around $250.00.

Don't let them talk you into the business kits with multiple units. Not worth it and if you find out you are no good in sales, you end up with a whopping bill and several units sitting in your garage.

As to Creating Wealth From Home and Maximum Success, those are just affiliates that focus primarily on the Recruiting Aspect of this MLM.

Basically, they try to bring someone in with a business kit and they do the recruiting by buying leads which is likely where they got your name. You can buy as little as 10 leads for $100 and the return is maybe one dealer but low average that the dealer will do well, and as much as 100 leads for as little as $50.00 but the leads are most often old leads where you might again bring in one dealer and if they are not very motivated, they tend to drop out relatively quickly. The key is the more you pay, the higher the potential to recruit someone who just recently requested info on a home business. However, if you are just starting out in sales, and sort of on the shy side, it's extremely risky. Eighty percent of all dealers drop out within their first 6 months. So that means that 2 of your dealers will continue but it's definately a lot of work. My senior partner has been in this for 4 years now and she is still just a sales manager. Yeah she has had some good checks and yes she has two bonus cars which isn't exactly the way they make it sound, but definately a good deal but she works on the phone at least 5 days a week and I guarantee you, she spends a lot of time trying to sign up people. She doesn't have the free time she will claim she has.

If you take any sales manager and have them take 2 weeks off straight, and they will lose about 30% of their downline. If you aren't there calling people and actually 3 waying them into the team calls (motivational calls) they will lose their own momentum.

So your cost ends up being about $14.00 a month for the Maximum Success Site which gives you a site to keep all your contacts, plus a 1-800 number for potential people to call you. Then another $12.95 for the Ecoquest website because without that, you can't really send people from the Maximum success site to your site plus you need it to monitor anyone you do bring in. In addition, you will need to advertise locally to try and get some placements, and then you have the costs of your leads which on average will be about $100 a week. If a customer does the whole trial thing, and decides they don't want to take the machine, you will end up paying for all the shipping and whatever materials you have sent them.

If you want to start for just the $50 plus a machine, sign up, but only buy the Flair once you have become a dealer. Test your sales skills and then gently ease yourself into the business. Otherwise, huge bill with lots of unsold inventory.

If you would like some more info, you can contact me at soulm84@comcast.net

Allen

[Han G Thesobs]

OK- Late but you'll love this- Lot's of new info.

Let's start the She said/he said.

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

2895 getting checks shown out of 84,294. 278,024 total sign ups - 84,294 tells us 193,730 have dropped out since the company's inception in Jan 2000.
81,399 are paid what yearly????????????

Better question? If 95% of all businesses fail after 2-3 years, why are so many EcoQuest dealers "still active"? Getting checks is if you have an ACTIVE DOWNLINE and only retail a little bit yourself.

Paid What? Let's see. I make about $300-$1000 a month depending on what I want to retail in my spare time. No checks from EQ. Does THAT make EQ #'s "BAD?", no- it just means there are people that DON'T just retail that get checks from EQ. Most of us just retail. I have 20 dealers because I tell them it's cheaper that way.

If you want to try EQ DO NOT BUY A FLAIR to start!

1) You want the BEST they have to offer to SHOW any potential customers- If YOU don't think it's worth it YOU won't sell them either. and... You never get to know just how really amazing the product is that you are "trying" to use and sell. Sure recipe for disaster. Trust me, you WON'T want anything else after you try it unless you mis-use it or are swayed by unfounded comments based on EPA/ARB studies using the machines on HIGH and MED settings in small areas. Yeah, imagine that. Plus- at wholesale, you'll easily get your money back by letting anyone with pets, smoke, mold, asthma, emphasema, etc try it. If you know people in hospital mgt. I have some great help for you. More behind the scenes stuff. Casinos? Vets? Office buildings?

2) Get your dealership for $50 and buy a Fresh Air for $250+ off retail. Best and healthiest thing you could do for your family in the world. Bar anything else in my opinion. (I'm really into health, vitamins, Yoga.. :) 4 Yrs of use and 3 3/4 years of research on this machine, air pollutants, and the research done on these machines and air pollution. And 19 people's amazing responses that have asthma. If you've done ANY good at sales in the past get the Kit with 5 machines and the smoke demo. The WOW machine. If you ONLY know extremely poor people- Don't sell these, go to the guy who invented the EQ machines site and sign up there, no Space-Tech but still do the basic things that got them to this point. Work great- QUIET!!! The smallest machines are getting me rave reviews. Dirt cheap, work great for small areas and rooms.

3) The Fresh Air has New Space-Certified Tech that ROCKS. Can you say goodbuy to Gloss Enamel fumes? Avian Buird Flu Virus? Surface Bacteria like Salmonella and Staph? e-Coli? PLUS- It has ALL the best features- a remote, 4 timers, LED readout, maint LED, Great Looks, Quiet, ALL those advanced oxidizers and a button to turn off the small amount of ozone that it may be emitting on higher settings, and it REDUCES excess ozone at the normal setting to "Normal"! Just for YOU- ozone-haters of the world.

Example? My wife and I haven't really gotten sick until just before this last CDC warning to food businesses (late in my opinion) about the Norwalk virus spreading like wildfire ALL over the continent (according to calls I make, even Castro got it and almost died. 6 deaths in 3 weeks in immediate families of my wife's 15 person staff. All elderly.) Lasted 2 days with my kid, 1 day with the wife, 3 days with me. I got an accompanying cough and sinus infection that tried to move to my lungs. The wife, who usually catches everything 10 X worse, didn't. Lungs? Guess what. The machine kills bacteria and virus'. Nuff said... before the government sues me.

Annual Payout Huh????????? Yeah yeah yeah. Some of those guys work all day at it all day, every day, and makes lots of trip$. I just made a trip to Hawaii with 3 dealers and 4 customers. Yeah BABY! Tax writeoffs. Do they get to count THAT on EQ's website? NO! BTW- Winter is the only time to go. Turtles, Whales... Nice day AND night weather.

It's called a business. If you DIDN'T know that a business gets those writeoffs and that EQ can't quote them, then buy some books, take a class, and read Kyosaki's Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Hm... Read that book no matter what. It tells you the rules of the REAL game of Monopoly and how to use money. Get a CPA that was reccommended by another professional! They are worth their weight in gold. The RICH use them for a reason.

But most of all- STOP using EQ Accounting numbers if you don't know what they actually represent, and DO NOT GIVE BUSINESS ADVICE TO AMATUERS! If YOU failed, it's a sure bet they will too :confused: . There are mentoring groups, business groups (BNI), etc.. to help. Not your fault, you're just trrying to help! The numbers? Hey, EQ was run by an ex-bus driver. So those numbers only mean a little for managers nothing for retailers. Look- I blew it with personal care products in 70's, long distance and electricity/NatGas services in the 90's(my partner is making $3000 a month on it in Germany/EU) but now I'm happy with this, my retirement, and other investments. Can I make more? Easily, but then I'd have to answer phones all day. Will probably set up a phone-answering service and advertise some day. Just not ready to devote the time needed to set it up. Too much going on elsewhere. Just got off the phone with Switzerland.

EQ now has several amazing test results and are working in many places with government officials to re-write air-pollution standards behind the scenes. Go to YouTube.com and search marsden ecoquest. I'm in communication with the Ca ARB over their Pharm-guided attempt to ban ALL air-purification machines that create ANY ozone. I asked for just one medical case against any machine. :eek: They said they didn't have any... BUT- They are looking! www.vitacentral.com I suggested they ask EQ for a list of customers for the last 20 years and ask THEM! What a novel idea, ask long-term users about their long-term health effects vs people that NEVER used a machine.


2 Presidential Master Managers $1,200,000
4 Executive Master Managers $1,986,948
32 Master Sales $7,410,420
345 Qualified Sales Managers $32, 411,370
865 Sales Managers $35,897,540
483 Managers in training $1,918,524 I'm Not in here! No checks from EQ.
127 Managers in training $609,252
498 Fast Start Distributors $1,504,596
571 Master Dealers $785,232
313 Senior Dealers $196,704
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$83,920,586

My customers write their checks to ME!

Soapboxmom

[Healthguru]

As someone that has known Greg & Jon and their system, and tracked the results overall, I have to say there are much better ways, and companies in the direct sales industry. Many of us that worked their program call it "The creating Debt from Home System." The challenge with any system is how simple and easy to duplicate it is. This system is not for everyone as it is expensive, and not in true alignment with the parent company policies. They have some misleading practices that create a BAD name in the industry. If your friend is open to other options put him in touch with me as I will be happy to educate him as to the challenges with this route. My main complaint about the Company "EcoQuest" (Being a Sales Manager with them for over 7years) is that the compensation plan is a breakaway,(bad news for true residual) does not pay deep. It does not translate internationly very well at all, even in Canada! As far as the timing, the best years are not ahead but long ago...make sense? Great products and some good people, but not a good Biz model to grow with. Greg knows this, but will delude himself because of the $ he makes on the system. :devil: Not very Christian..but Greg and Jon will ride this train because they helped build the Monster.:shocked: It's no longer Harmless :cry: Greg please step back and stop & really look at it. Casualities are not casual:whip:

Originally Posted by openQuestion

I just had a old friend join this company, Econquest International. Website looks legit, products sound feasible. Anybody know anything about this firm?

I joined them, know people who have had success with them, but it is still MLM. So you cannot leverage your time very efficiently.


I no nothing about that company, 14 months ago, I found the 6figureincomeschool and have not looked back since. I am 64 years, old, been married 45 years, have 3 children, 4 grandchildren and 1 great grand child. Most people who want to have time and fiancial freedom, too often, are looking for a free lunch, and do not really want to work for it. I started and learned the skills that were necessary to help me succeed in this business, their learnable skills, so if I can do it at age 64, certainly, anyone that is coachable and trainable can do the same. Systems are duplicatable, people are not.

Too often, people simply give up on the 1 yard line, before they are about to achieve what they came into the business for. My advice, is too stay away from all MLM, it takes far, too much of your time, to push low profit, low margin items, such as lotions, creams, vitamins, ****** drinks, music, air purfifiers and such.

What you want in an ideal business model on the Internet is 1) high cash flow, high profit, like $1000, $4500 or even $10,000, so your not making hundreds of calls, wasting your time for peanuts. 2) you need
a $50,000 automated executive secretary, to leverage you time, that will handle all your correspondence, emails, notes , and reminders. 3)finally you need to have an exclusive product that cannot be purchased elsewhere and finally 4) a market for the product and a company that has been around for at least 10 years, that is verifiable
has great training, and you can test their system for free, before committing any capital start up costs. When you find this a company like this join it, work hard, put forth the effort, do not treat it like a hobby, but treat it like your own business, and you will succeed beyond
you wildest imaginations. I did and you can too.!!

God Bless and wish you the best, whatever business you take seriously.