Dr. John M. Latourrette, Snake Oil Salesman

[tungison]

(Partial thread from http://www.scamfraudalert.com/showthread.php?t=2548 Scamfraudalert.com published below)

Flim Flam Man "Dr." John M. LaTourrette, "Ph.D"

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LaTourrette is a slippery fellow currently selling a number of trainings and DVD type courses such as "Silva Ultramind's Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing The Next Evolution in Mind ***** by Dennis Higgins and John La Tourrette, Ph.D.", which contains a fraudulent claim regarding the author John M. LaTourrette. LaTourrette is most certainly NOT a Ph.D, and in fact purchased his Ph.D from a non-accredited corresponce degree mill called Columbia Pacific University. This phony degree mill was found to be illegally operating in the state of California and shut down. A simple Google search under the Columbia Pacific University will provide you with ample proof of findings of fraud and the closure of the phony degree mill.

I consider degree fraud in the marketing of online courses on a web site to be a very serious matter,.

Check out this Dr. Quack, with a fake Ph.D from Columbia Pacific University.

http://www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com has now been shut down by his internet service provider for fraud.

Snake oil saleman LaTourrette is now operating under 2 new web sites which he obtained fraudulently by using the well known phishing and internet scam service provider www.myprivateregistration.com and contact@myprivateregistration.com to illegally obtain new URL's. The new web sites he is selling his phony courses on are www.realmindcontrolsecrets.com, and www.realspeedhitting.com.

Here is a link on Columbia Pacific University, an illegal degree mill which was shut down.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer.../News/cpu.html

LaTourrette claims to know the secrets of ancient Kahuna magic, which can do everything from making you rich to healing you of all illnesses. Just for a start, of course! And John M. LaTourrette has scammed millions of dollars from suckers for this nonsense. A recent advertisment he sent out was called “The Secret Kahuna ‘Master-Keys’ On How-To-Manifest Your Own Destiny!”

www.realmindcontrolsecrets.com
www.realspeedhitting.com


Re: Flim Flam Man "Dr." John M. LaTourrette, "Ph.D"

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Apparently now LaTourrette's latest 2 web sites have also been shut down by his ISP.

For more information and debate refer back to full original thread http://www.scamfraudalert.com/showthread.php?t=2548.

[tungison]

It's been awhile...more than 2 weeks, in fact, since I challenged John M. LaTourrette (also known as John M. La Tourrette and Jack Williams) and his lackey Jim Knippenberg to supply actual scientific proof of his outrageous claims of everything from cancer cures to get rich quick schemes. Of course, as I suspected, NO such proof of any kind has been posted here. All their back talk was nothing but a bunch of hot air. Attempting to obscure the search for truth by blustering. This might fool some of their true believers who need a tit to suck on instead of standing on their own two feet, but it was barely amusing to me. I never believed for a New York minute that there would be any proof, not one shred of proof of any of these claims.

So, I've tried to do a bit more research on my own. Interestingly, my suspicions of Jim Knippenberg were right on the money. Literally, in fact. He is selling a couple of courses himself (big surprise, huh). One of them is called "Secretly Seduce Her While She Sleeps" and the other is called "Doc's secret of how to be a Mafia hit man" (yes, this is none other than Doc LaTourrette). Okie dokie then! So now we've gone from snake oil sales, and simple online consumer fraud, to major felonies.....the taking advantage of a woman while she sleeps, and murder for hire! Check out Knippenberg's blog at http://mindcontrolcentral.blogspot.com/ You REALLY need to check this out! I just couldn't quite believe it, and still can't if you really want to know the truth, but there it is, right there on the web for every person on the planet to see. No doubt, there really are some suckers, and some very nasty people, who will actually buy this ****. Unfortunately, we're not law enforcement here, just a public service site.

You'll have to search for the courses using your Find feature in your browser, his blog is long and wordy with all the hype spewed out. The offending items are under his 10/11/06 blog for the Hitman and his 8-25-06 blog for the Seduce Her While She Sleeps.

In his blog, he links to a web site he claims he owns called www.mindcontrolcentral.com. However, the web site does not work. Now I wonder why? Could it be possible that some internet service providers don't want their web site advertisers selling information on how to rape women while they sleep or how murder for money? Gee, I don't know, maybe so...what do you think folks???

In my opinion, the obscene duo of John M. LaTourrette and Jim Knippenberg are the biggest couple of hucksters I have seen in a very long time. But more than that, just like religious charlatans such as Jim Jones and David Koresh, these people are actually dangerous, and will stop at nothing to achieve their aims. And these aims, just like the rest of their ilk, are to control others to rip them off financially while fooling them into believing they have the keys to some sort of "higher *****" and slowly doling out the "secrets" to those that are loyal them. This doesn't just piss me off, it makes me want to barf! This is really sickening.

[tungison]

Please note that the above 2 posts are reposted and reprinted with permission from another member's thread at Scamfraudalert.com, http://www.scamfraudalert.com/showthread.php?t=2548 and this link contains the full thread.

I personally checked out the link to the blog entry, http://mindcontrolcentral.blogspot.com/ and verified the Jim Knippenberg Secretly Seduce Her While She Sleeps and the Dr. John M. Latourrette Doc's secret of how to be a Mafia hit man are courses advertised there. I've also reattached the blog file as an attachment below for convenience.

[tungison]

John La Tourrette Is A Liar! is a long thread at http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47659 I just found this link posted on Scamfraudalert.

[tungison]

John M. La Tourrette has given up his fake Ph.D claim on his web site, now back up and running again. www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com. Instead, he is now claiming to be an "Ordained Minister". One might think that after having the crap pounded out of him on forums like this one, he "decided" that holding himself out as a Sports Psychologist when he had no license was not a good idea. Ya' think? Or did the authorities finally shut him down?

So now, he's an Ordained Minister instead? Ordained by who? Maybe by a great Kahuna. After all, he's selling "The Lost Secrets of Kahuna!" and "Kahuna Secrets on How-To Become Your Own Kahuna!" http://www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com...aProducts.html What a load of bull.

Same John M. LaTourrette, same snake oil, different day. Still, I like to think this site had some influence on him for dropping the Ph.D claim, and I thank the forum sponsors and members.

[tungison]

John M. Latourrette received the October Crud of the Month Award for Real Dung (dung, scam, crap), Call The Scam Busters from Shameless Reviews for his web sites www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com and www.realspeedhitting.com.

Here are the web links for the Shameless Review on John LaTourrette:
http://www.shamelessreviews.com/category/hall-of-shame/, and http://www.shamelessreviews.com/2006...-october-2006/

good post...thanks for info

[KerryG]

Wow, many of these posts were hard to read. After I post this you can say I was a blind student, tricked or scammed, whatever. Its very possible you may notice grammatical or spelling mistakes. I know anecdotal information is not applicable in a study. That is ok, my purpose here is to provide the reader of this page with a post that they can read and then make their own decision from. I am going to talk here not about if Dr. LaTourette has a real degree or not, or if his snake oil is real. I am going to merely provide the reader with an experience, an experience I had. Below I am going to give you my experience of Dr. LaTourette, and some of my background to that experience.

Before I met Dr. LaTourette I was attending the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology and taking Aikido from Dr. Frager a 7th degree black belt. I believe Dr. Frager is the only other westerner besides Steven Siegel to be that high of a rank in Aikido. I took classes at ITP in their Phd. program and in Aikido for 2 . After those two my wife and I decided that we were after a better graduate program. Before switching program my wife and I moved to Grants Pass where her parents live, that way I could get to know them better.
While in Grants Pass I decided I would take some classes from Dr. LaTourette in Martial Arts. One of my friends at ITP had met him and told me that he was, "a good guy but a little crazy" When I met Dr. LaTourette I had the same thought, his style was definitely different than my own. I was extraordinarily critical from what I had heard about him. Once I began taking classes around him and with his instructors, I began learning more about martial arts and fighting than I could imagine. In the beginning I took some classes in a different center in Grants Pass that was highly recommended by one of my in laws patients. After one month I left the place in Grants Pass I was learning so much more from Dr. LaTourette that it was slowing me down learning a less effective system from the grants pass teacher. Dr. LaTourette did not mystify or give any smoke and mirrors in the martial arts his instructors and him taught exactly how to do techniques and did not use ambiguous such as chi- they taught exactly how to breath how to stand how to focus, what emotions to have, they taught all of the specifics, in a way that after applying them I could experience the results.
I took one seminar from Dr. Latourette while in the area. I learned more psychology, and marketing than I had learned anywhere previously. Dr. Latourette knows what he is talking about, and teaches in a way that I was able to do exactly what he said I would be able to do. Many teachers give outlandish claims and then the students at the end cant do anything but are excited. After his seminar many of the students and I remarked to each other that it was amazing that he knew all the specifics of how to do many things. Many of the students that I talked to and I have a great amount of respect for Dr. LaTourette. Not for his degrees but for his ability to teach us what we sought him out to learn. Right now I am in Portland, Oregon taking classes from George Fox Universities Graduate program. I know that George Fox compared to other school has a very good program. However, it is hard to not sit in class and think about how much more I could be learning. I hope that this post provides the site with a review of Dr. Latourette from someone that learned a tremendous amount from him. Previous reviews of Jim Kippenberg on other sites painted a picture of him that I did not witness. I hope a picture of me is not painted that is just as far off. Regardless though I think this post has met its purpose for you the reader. Hopefully someone that comes to this site after reading this will now have the neutral choice to make the decision to learn from their own experience.

[tungison]

Originally Posted by KerryG

Wow, many of these posts were hard to read.

Really? No one else had any trouble reading them. The english is quite plain and simple. And you being a graduate student and all.....Maybe you don't like to read the truth, and you try to block it out.

I am going to talk here not about if Dr. LaTourette has a real degree or not, or if his snake oil is real.

So it doesn't matter to you if John M. La Tourrette lied about his "degrees"? Do your other graduate professors claim to have Ph.D's when they received their doctorate from a non-accredited degree mill that was later shut down? Do they claim to be Sports Psychologists when they have no such license? Yet, you continue to refer to him as Dr. John La Tourrette. He is not a doctor. And let's talk about his fake claim of four 10th degree black belts. Did any of your other instructors make those kind of false claims?

I believe Dr. Frager is the only other westerner besides Steven Siegel to be that high of a rank in Aikido.

What does Steve Siegel have to do with this thread??? If you are comparing a Hollywood actor with John La Tourrette, you're proving La Tourrette is a phony. Both Siegel and La Tourrette are actors in a sense. I happen to like Steven Siegel's movies. At least he is practicing his craft honestly. John M. La Tourrette is putting on an act to decieve people like you to get your money, by getting you under his spell, if you will. So you will believe he has some sort of special *****s and knowledge. Hogwash.

I took one seminar from Dr. Latourette while in the area. I learned more psychology, and marketing than I had learned anywhere previously.

Really? Can you prove that by submitting yourself for examination by legitimate Ph.D's from accredited institutions (NOT degree mill phony's like John LaTourrette) in those subjects? Ph.D's who will subject you to real peer review of your claims? Can you state specifically what you learned? Can you produce peer-reviewed published reference material backing your claims? Will you now be claiming to be a Ph.D, or perhaps even smarter than any legitimate Ph.D as a result of your being sheep-dipped in John M. La Tourrette's snake oil?

Your post is nearly devoid of any facts, other than that you have taken a seminar from John La Tourrette, but what is very clear is you hold a delusional attachment to John M. La Tourrette, and worship him in a way that does not allow for you to see reality, and causes you to take leave of your senses. I would say that John La Tourrette, not you, is firmly in control of your mind. You do fit the perfect definition of a cult follower, with John M. La Tourrette as your guru. The fact that you've admitted you cannot even concentrate on your regular graduate studies, because you are so busy thinking about John M. La Tourrette, should be wake up call to you that you are addicted to a guru, rather than thinking for yourself.

You have not refuted a single fact about the lies and misrepresentations of John M. La Tourrette. The facts are still that he misrepresented himself as a doctor and Ph.D, when even his Ph.D was questionable and never accredited. He has lied about his martial arts background, and does not have even one legitimate 10th degree black belt, let alone 4 of them as he has claimed. I learned this information from http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=47659. It's a long thread, but well worth reading as it contains a great deal of information on the questionable claims of John M. LaTourrette going back quite a few years.

And why do you think he dropped his claim of his Ph.D from his own web site www.mentaltrainingsecrets.com? And added this disclaimer:

While Mind Mastery Training (MMT) has produced remarkable results, it must still be considered to be a work in progress. Thus practitioners and the users of it (the public) must take complete responsibility for their use of it. Further, Mind Master John M. La Tourrette is not a licensed health professional and offers MMT as an ordained minister and as a personal performance coach. Those who want to discuss the use of MMT for specific emotional problems with a professional please contact us privately so we can refer you to a licensed practitioner.

So, let's get this straight...John LaTourrette used to be a Ph.D, but now he isn't ??? Maybe the authorities were after him, and he had his web site shut down, and that is why he doesn't claim it anymore, and added the disclaimer. And now, instead he's claiming to be an "ordained minister" and calling himself the "Mind Master"? What a load of bull.

Surely, if you really are a graduate student, you must have the sensory acuity, and the intelligence, to be able to discipline yourself, to see through the snake oil and lies John M. La Tourrette is telling and see the truth for yourself? Friend, you need to wake up and smell the bull. As for your "experience" as you term it, certainly you must realize that all deluded cult followers think their guru is wonderful, worthy of the highest praise, and that the guru's teachings are the greatest thing in the universe. That is what snake oil saleman like John M. La Tourrette do, they brainwash suckers into giving them money, and they even get the suckers to smile while they do it! In case you're wondering, the mark (a nice term for a sucker) in this situation is you.

[tungison]

Originally Posted by KerryG

Its very possible you may notice grammatical or spelling mistakes.

Upon further review, your statement is more than a bit odd, in that you claim to be a "graduate student". It would seem that good writing, and also your editing of your work are strict requirements of any good graduate program. Why then would you be worried about spelling and grammar, with your claimed level of education? So I'm not sure why you chose to say this, but perhaps you wanted to curry favor and sympathy by seeming to be more human? It is a very suspicious statement, and makes me wonder just how candid you've been in who you say you are.

[KerryG]

I hope any reader from this point will be able to answer the questions you raised by reading my post again. Hopefully, you will not take this comment out of context also.

[tungison]

Originally Posted by KerryG

I hope any reader from this point will be able to answer the questions you raised by reading my post again. Hopefully, you will not take this comment out of context also.

You are not being taken out of context. You posted your point of view, and are now part of the discussion thread. However, it is up to you, not the reader, to answer the questions that were raised. Those questions were not answered in your post; but arose as a result of your post. It is your responsibility, both to the readers and to yourself, to address the questions directly. Avoiding dealing with these issues by telling people to "read your post again" only further undermines your credibility. You had the audacity to post here, apparently to draw attention away from the misrepresentations of John La Tourrette, and to show your devotion to him so as to cast him in a favorable light. So, why not take it one step further, and face the issues raised in my rebuttal of your post head on? Certainly, if you are a graduate student in psychology, and trained with an Aikido master, you ought to be able to deal with some simple questions in a forthright manner. So here is my challenge, how about YOU reread your post, and then my posts, and then YOU answer the questions I asked?

Let me be blunt: If you want to be taken as anything more than a delusional cult member who was taken in by a religious scam by John M. La Tourrette, you are going to have to supply serious answers to serious questions.

[tungison]

While we wait for a reply from KerryG (a reply I doubt we will ever see) here is an interesting post that suggests the future con game of John M. La Tourrette: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...=47659&page=25. In post #248 the poster says "I will be very surprised if we don't see a Born Again Christian Faith Healing period of his life soon". Very interesting idea, and very likely true. It would provide a path to bilk mainstream religion people after he washes up with his Huna and ****** Healing rip offs.

[asdf10997]

Dear Sir:

Have you spoken with La Tourrette, attended one of his seminars or studied his DVDs?

[tungison]

Originally Posted by asdf10997

Dear Sir:

Have you spoken with La Tourrette, attended one of his seminars or studied his DVDs?

You mean, is someone on here stupid enough or sucker enough to spend thousands of dollars on John M. La Tourrette seminars or DVD's? Gee,....how about, no, NOT. How about you? Are you that gullible? Hope not, for your own sake. Why not just go withdraw a few thousand bucks from the bank, buy a shredder, and shred the money? At least the huckster won't get your money!

Do you really need to get bit by a rattlesnake to know it going to be a very bad experience? Same with bad people like John M. La Tourrette. When you see a snake, grab your wallet tight, and run like hell in the opposite direction!

Personally, when I find someone as full of themselves as John M. La Tourrette, I refuse to speak or listen to anything they say. A man like that who exudes nothing but arrogance and acts like he thinks he knows more than anyone else is someone to be avoided in the first place. Usually, people like this have huge insecurities that are compensated for by taking advantage of other people who are gullible enough to believe in them and become victims.

[Charlatan Buster]

I know someone with a serious mental illness who has been brainwashed into thinking La Tourette is the closest thing to God here on earth. He has given the bastard $100,000.00 and flies to Oregon from Australia for his seminars at least once a year. These trips are leaving him destitute and he keeps paying rent and not buying somewhere to live because he has to give money to La Tourette to learn how to secretly control people's minds etc. In fact... when caught speeding this person tried to "psychically influence" the judge. It was very sad.

I know another person who La Tourette told to "stop taking his medication" because he was "cured". The guy is now dead.

The bastard has to be stopped. The only thing he is genuinely good at is marketing to desperate people. It is just awful. He would be closed down in Australia. Guaranteed.

[rubyslippers]

Regarding his degree when was it granted? Under Wiki and doing check on the source listed as refererence-

CPU degrees awarded before June 25, 1997 are legally valid. Your degree, and any credential or license you received by virtue of the degree, should not be affected. CPU had legal approval to operate until June 25, 1997, and the degrees it issued before June 25, 1997 are legal. [under the court ruling on the schools status that closed it]

So he may hold a valid degree if that degree fell in the dates listed since it was approved as a degree granter in California. And accreditation is not legally obligated but an elective process for any school although some states and the Federal government do use it in that regards.

As for him well Televangelists and churches take peoples money all the time, The Church of Scientology a legal church in the US uses that aproach in many areas and so the content of his courses and such seems to be no different. Hell Sylvia Brown a clear fraud takes peoples money for books and lectures she has or attends and is no more credible.

His ordination if its from a legal church even one like the rather fun Universal Life Church is legal and an ordination for the legal consideration in most states, not sure about New York they can't perform marriages there I think. So could be an ordained minister for all legal purposes.

[tungison]

Originally Posted by Charlatan Buster

I know someone with a serious mental illness who has been brainwashed into thinking La Tourette is the closest thing to God here on earth. He has given the bastard $100,000.00 and flies to Oregon from Australia for his seminars at least once a year. These trips are leaving him destitute and he keeps paying rent and not buying somewhere to live because he has to give money to La Tourette to learn how to secretly control people's minds etc. In fact... when caught speeding this person tried to "psychically influence" the judge. It was very sad.

I know another person who La Tourette told to "stop taking his medication" because he was "cured". The guy is now dead.

The bastard has to be stopped. The only thing he is genuinely good at is marketing to desperate people. It is just awful. He would be closed down in Australia. Guaranteed.

It is indeed unfortunate that the kind of scam John M. La Tourrette is using to screw people out of their savings may fall into a legal grey area by using his mail order ministry credential. The same way he has used his phony but barely legal Ph.D because he got it before it became illegal.

He may be guilty of health care fraud, but he now has a disclaimer on his web site regarding this. It would be great if an aggressive district attorney were able to successfully prosecute him. Perhaps if your friend were to come to his senses and file a complaint with the FBI or the Oregon authorities, they might act. Especially if he could show he was scammed out of $100,000, that would get the attention of law enforcement.

Have you thought of having your friend file a criminal complaint in Australia? They might be able to have John M. La Tourrette extradited to face charges there, if the laws are more strict. If there was probable cause to believe he defrauded an Australian citizen of this kind of money, again, they might take action.

[rubyslippers]

Then are you going to sue every religious person doing faith healing or do prayers for donations and the like? How many televangelists do faith healing as part of a ministry after all.

In the US what can count as a religion is fairly minimal compared to other nations.

[tungison]

Originally Posted by rubyslippers

Then are you going to sue every religious person doing faith healing or do prayers for donations and the like? How many televangelists do faith healing as part of a ministry after all.

In the US what can count as a religion is fairly minimal compared to other nations.

Oh, there is plenty of precedent for locking up religious scammers. Or should I say, those who pretend to be religious and take people's money for their own gain. Jimmy Baker got 40 years.

[momotaro]

Hi no sig nut,

The guy who posted that info that you reposted here, lost his credibility right in first paragraph. If he can't get right such basic and easily verifiable fact as degree validity, the rest of whatever he has to say is just lost time for me.

Shut down by ISP - another nonsense. His site was simply unoperational. Happens all the time due to numerous, usually technical, reasons.

Jack Williams is his young son who runs the website sales for him.

Then Charlatan Buster comes with the claim about $100.000. OK, if that was some private deal, which I wouldn't believe but can't verify. But public courses used to cost $900-$2,000, something in that range, and were organized like 1-3x per year at most. So if the guy spent $100.000, he surely had great time in US, just I doubt it was spent at the seminar.

The problem with most of these scam busters is, many of them are "fanatics accusing others of being fanatics", and their manipulation is much stronger than that of their targets (that they are accusing from using such tactics).

OK, some of the people out there that have valuable content to teach or sell, discredit themselves in eyes of some people (me including) for their usage of snake oil sales copies. The reason is simple - they get more sold.
But why so many scam busters discredit themselves by sounding as scamsters and whackos themselves? Any benefit coming from that? Uh...just a public service, I guess.

I can make my own decisions, and I base them on what works for me, not what "doesn't work for people who didn't use it", nor on what "looks strange" or "sounds like snake oil salesman".
The others are lucky that they have you and other smart guys who can advise them properly.

[tungison]

Hi Mumbo Jumbo Taro-

You are just so very clever! After all, how many many posters in the world might be smart enough to reverse some letters? How did you achieve your high state of irrelevance and incontinence?

A "valid" mail order degree? What an oxymoron! Anyone can get nearly anything on the internet or by mail order. It still isn't accredited, and it is still a scam. So he got away with it. Right, that makes it ok.

Thank you for making my point for me....John M. LaTourrette, like other religious scammers such Jimmy Baker, belongs in jail.

Are you seriously saying that the possibility he didn't scam the full $100,000 from the guy in Australia makes what he is doing less serious? Ok, fine, give him 98 years instead of 100 years. Deal?

Yours-

Nutcracker

[kate blanchett]

This one sounds pretty serious.....another scam preying on the weak-willed and emotionally vulnerable....rotten bastard!!

Mind Control indeed....

I might point out that KAHUNA is a polynesian word meaning CHIEF, as in "The Big Kahuna". Maori people (Kiwi natives) use it all the time as an expression of either "the boss" or someone overweight. We had a chain of burger joints advertising a "Big Kahuna Burger"...just a little trivia....


Just took a long look at his website...."Instant Healing"...."Self Help".....He claims this technique is a "Work in progress".....

Looks very much like a cult scam to me!....I can control my mind without any need for help from "people" like Tourette....

HEY...I guess people sucked in by this fool have "Tourettes Syndrome"..Ha ha....

(Apoplogies for tasteless joke to Turettes sufferers)

[SFS]

I have known Dr. Latourrette since the 1980's. He is not a scam artist. He offers information to people who may use it or not use it. He does not "prey" on people for their money. Whould all motivational speakers and authors be scam artists? People do have a choice to pay for a product if they wish. With all this talk about scams wouldnt all teachers be scam artisits. Just because you dont agree with it doesnt mean it does not work or is no good.

[tungison]

Of course not all teachers are scam artists. But John M. LaTourrette is a quack selling information that is worthless, by taking advantage of suckers. While he may be able to barely skirt the law by putting disclaimers on his web site that "he isn't a licensed physician", he is still a huckster....better yet, a "rotten bastard" as Kate says above.

Mind Control??? Kahuna magic?? What a bunch of garbage. They used to just tar and feather guys like this. Now we debate on the internet.....

[Johnsmith]

John la tourrette is not a scam artist. You people at scam.com just can't comprehend the level that john la tourrette is on. Instead of whining about your panties being bunched up why don't you watch some of tourrettes dvds, do the drills and get the skills.

You people are the ones that are nuts
Drink bleach and die

[dr poormouth]

Originally Posted by Johnsmith

John la tourrette is not a scam artist.

uh-huh.

You people at scam.com just can't comprehend the level that john la tourrette is on.

Level 2, D Block of the State Pen would be appropriate.

Instead of whining about your panties being bunched up why don't you watch some of tourrettes dvds, do the drills and get the skills.

They do seem to be available from a number of torrent sites for freebies, so if'n the doctor gave a rat's patoot about all this crystal-huggin' crap I'd know where to get 'em without linin' the pockets of yer Big Kahuna.

You people are the ones that are nuts

Not exackly innerested in winnin' friends and influencin' people, are you junior.

Drink bleach and die

Why not use yer Jedi mind tricks, and make us?

All smilies edited out, becuz I just don't like the d-mn things.

[momotaro]

Originally Posted by kate blanchett

This one sounds pretty serious.....another scam preying on the weak-willed and emotionally vulnerable

So that if the multinational telco, having a *****ful sales strategy implemented, makes weak-willed to buy lot of useless extra services, that's fine. But if there is one guy good in sales, that is scam?

....rotten bastard!!

words you use, tell more about you than the object you are trying to describe

I might point out that KAHUNA is a polynesian word meaning CHIEF

And the point is? To establish yourself an expert here in the eyes of weak-willed who have no info?

Yes that's true. And that's what LaTourrette says at the beginning of most of his articles or videos about his huna stuff.

He claims this technique is a "Work in progress".....

And?
Anything is work in progress.
Look how medicine, heart surgery, serious things like that, progress. Things that were not possible three years ago, that they are doing right now for the first time. I'm reading about it every week, ....what's wrong with improving something?

Looks very much like a cult scam to me!

Anything can be a cult. People buying iphones, fans of the most popular sports club in the country,.....
It's up to the people that "join", if they join just to become a member of the club, there is nothing that can stop them.

....I can control my mind without any need for help from "people" like Tourette....

Anybody can. The point is, can I improve the way I control my mind?

Everybody is free to choose their own way.

But some people think they are already in control enough, and now they can control others. So you are trying to control others, by telling them what you think works and what you think doesn't work for them?

HEY...I guess people sucked in by this fool have "Tourettes Syndrome"..Ha ha....

(Apoplogies for tasteless joke to Turettes sufferers)

Glad you can get yourself some good laugh even on this serious board, and that you like your own humour.

Now with almost 500 posts here under your belt, that pretty much makes you a scam hunter. Or a professional victim?

To sum it up, from my point of view.
One thing is whether you like the guy or not.
One thing is whether he uses sneak oil like sales letters.
The other thing is whether what he teaches, works.

I have used methods he gives out in his discussion group, in other words, I didn't have to pay a dime for it.
And those methods were very valuable for me.
Exercises improved my vitality, and helped me with two minor health problems that neither of the MD's I was visiting could help with.

Whether there are others whom these things didn't help, or more likely who formed an opinion without ever moving a finger to do what he teaches, I couldn't care less.

I use what works for me, and ignore what doesn't. And this works exquisitely.

[momotaro]

Incredible.
This thread is in "religious scams".
You people have absolutely no information about LaTourrette then.
Knowing what he says about "religions", I can only have a good laugh.

[momotaro]

Originally Posted by dr poormouth

They do seem to be available from a number of torrent sites for freebies, so if'n the doctor gave a rat's patoot about all this crystal-huggin' crap I'd know where to get 'em without linin' the pockets of yer Big Kahuna.

Oh yes. It's wrong to sell materials on certain topic for people who are interested in that particular topic.
And if one doesn't believe in that topic, it's OK for him to steal that material.

I think I have learned enough about you people here. Time to leave. I'm sure no-one will object.

[dr poormouth]

Originally Posted by momotaro

Oh yes. It's wrong to sell materials on certain topic for people who are interested in that particular topic.
And if one doesn't believe in that topic, it's OK for him to steal that material.

A valid moral point: too bad it's from a snake-oil handler's shill.

I think I have learned enough about you people here. Time to leave. I'm sure no-one will object.

Everybody wave buh-bye to the nice man.

[Johnsmith]

you are a dork dr poop mouth. Why does your picture look all
are you ashamed of what you look like. you are a weirdo
I could care less if you try to slander Dr. LA tourrettes syndrome.
La tourrette has alot of good stuff yet it would do you no good to
even download them for free because I don't think someone with such a thick scull can begin to comprehend this stuff.

everybody wave bye bye to the ugly boy

Come on how can you take someone who says there from planet dong seriously.

you are done dr poormouth

[Charlatan Buster]

In Australia this man would be in the cells. He told a close friend not to take medication....my mate who listened, nearly died.

[Johnsmith]

Sorry for your friend. I was clown with my last post and hope Dr poor mouth saw it as .

You know what I could be wrong about la tourrette. I am curious can you ask your friend what dvd seminar this was? If he is a scam
I would like to know because I personally have allot of JLT products. Yet at the moment I am sure JLT is legit

[Charlatan Buster]

Friend met him at seminars. He went to seminar after seminar. Came back to Australia barking mad. Why? "Doctor" told him to stop taking psychiatric medication. I emailed "Doctor" to confirm. "Doctor" confirmed. Psychiatrist in Australia wanted to kill La Tourette and instead had to save the life of my friend who attempted suicide as a result of mental instability caused by stopping medication.

La Tourette is a criminal. I have been through dozens of his DVD's. They are all rubbish.

[Charlatan Buster]

Can you believe this rubbish?

"Hot new home study course reveals...

The Astonishing Psychic Secrets Of How To Persuade Others To Do What You Want Them To Do...While They Are Sound Asleep...
Even If They Live In Another Town!

Learn the mind control secrets of the "psychic elite" who can pop into people's dreams at night while their conscious defenses are "out cold" and persuade others to do what you want them to do, while they think it was all their own idea! "

The Official Mind Control And ESP Training Website Of Jim Knippenberg

"Another one most don't know about is Jim Knippenberg. Regardless of what [other trainer's name bleeped out!] says about Jim's work (evil work of the Devil), buy all of his stuff you can!

"It is pure gold and can be easily used with Huna, with Manifestation, and with living a fun, enjoyable and productive life.

"Sincerely,
Dr. John M. La Tourrette"
Medford, Oregon. 10th Degree Black Belt, Huna Kumu, Co-Developer of UltraMind ESP Remote Viewing / Remote Influencing program, "The Speedman," mentaltrainingsecrets.com

[Johnsmith]

this is all just talk and no hard evidence.

[Jeff Payne]

You are correct that this man is full of B.S., however you have not demonstrated, (or did I miss it?) whether or not he got his degree from CPU when it was in fact operating as a legally chartered degree granting institution under California law. If his degree was earned at that time, then according to the department of education for the state of California, it is a legal degree and he is entitled to use the title.

If he earned his degree during the short period of time while they remained open on unapproved status then you are correct. If not, you should amend and correct that part of your critique.

[tungison]

Unfortunately, while the educated may read this thread and be disuaded from giving their money to scammers like John M. LaTourrette, many will no doubt continue to believe snake oil is their potion of choice, and they can have all of heavens riches just by listening to the crap this guy spews out.

Some, like Peach Boy above (Momotaro is just Japanese for peach boy...does this guy have some reason for using this handle?) must either be in cahoots with Latourrette, or be running a scam themselves. There is no other reason they could possibly defend someone like this, who is nothing but a charlatan through and through.

As for the "educational credential", i.e. the fake Ph.D, well, it is always the aim of the con artist to blend a small amount of truth to obscure the greater lie, right? So, perhaps there is someway that Ph.D is not totally criminal, but it sure isn't "valid". It is a worthless piece of paper being used to fool gullible suckers and scam them for money by conferring on the holder a false aura of authority and credibility. Contrary to what Peach Boy Momotaro says, this is not what most corporations are doing. And the ones that do, well, their executives go to Federal prison. Yet getting phony shills like Peach Boy to speak up on their behalf is one of the techniques that scammers use to create fake testimonials, in order to better fool the suckers.

The reason that hucksters like Latourrette continue to prey on the unwary without prosecution, is that they are too small to matter, small-timers who don't make the news so to speak, so they aren't important enough for law enforcement to crack down on, unless a major complaint, or more than one, is filed. When that happens, then they'll haul this guy off to a 6 by 6 foot cell where he'll get to be the girlfriend of some large, smelly convict.

[momotaro]

Yes people don't make decisions on your own. Leave it up to experts. Like Sir Nut above.

He could even find out how Momotaro roughly translates to English, that also makes him an expert in Japanese mythology I bet.

I have benefited even from the FREE information that LaTourrette gives on his discussion group. I have used if for weeks and got the benefits.

I have no idea about his business practices, sure he uses those sleazy snake ad copies that I hate and all that, I'm not legal nor sales expert, none of my business.

My business is to improve on MY OWN life in certain areas. There I USE what works for ME.

Over the years I have heard so many stupid advices - people telling this works, this doesn't, I have learnt to ONLY BELIEVE MYSELF because majority of advices was wrong or only applicable to people giving advice. And the only way to decide myself is to test.

I USED some of the methods LaTourrette advocates, some didn't work well for me, most did.

You use what works for you.

If posting cr*p (coming from opinions not based on real life experience) on scam forums is what works for you, just do it and enjoy yourselves.

[tungison]

Yes, MR. Momotaro, you sir are most certainly then an expert in the mind control Kuhuna method that you learned from LaTourrette then, are you? So, who then, sir is the nut here? I submit you are the nut, using the peach boy name...so too bad you don't know enough Japanese to even know what the meaning of your own nym is, eh? So, you can do the instant healing and self-help? Perhaps, you can control others remotely now, right?

Momotaro, you are either a sucker, or just a simple idiot if you have been suckered and are now telling us that the snake oil garbage this huckster John M. LaTourrette is spewing out is real. Too bad you are so stupid, and that you have the gall to insult everyone one this thread, just shows what a jerk you are. Go ahead, defend the scam artist LaTourette. Perhaps, you are running a scam yourself, and feel some sense of guilt so you must defend criminals to make yourself feel a bit better, no?

If you want to waste your money and then try to rationalize it and bring others in to have their money stolen, or for you to steal others money, then you are what you are: trash. By defending a crook, you are therefore a crook by association.

[USMCJD]

John M. La tourrette is unarguably one of the best in the world at martial arts that just plain work. I was a student for a long time and have taken several different martial arts that were nothing more than snake oil martial arts as you like to use as your only known adjective,for real live street situations which is the absolute objective of anyone who is seeking out martial arts instruction. They want to feel safer in an unsafe world! And when you train with the "Doc" that's exactly how you feel. He delivers on every promise he makes in his ads for his " One of a kind, amazing self-defense instruction". I not only know mentally, that he delivers on every promise, but I had to actually use his system that he actually created " I CHI MU KENPO" on an individual who attacked me with a hammer! In less than one second I delivered three strikes to this maniac that was trying to kill me, and he ran back onto his property begging for me to stop WHEN HE WAS THE ONE WITH THE HAMMER! I have trained in five systems total and whenever I had to defend myself with the other four systems that I was well trained in, I not only lost but was badly injured and this was including being trained in the Hollywood favorite Brazilian jujitsu. After being injured I yearned for the day I could find a martial art that actually worked every time if your life was on the line and you had to depend on your martial arts skills. Well my search was over after meeting and training with the Doc. I now know with confidence that I can defend myself in any situation and come home to my beautiful family thanks to the Doc. I only wish there were more people of the Docs caliber out their so people could receive the type of training that will work if their life depended on it! Ask yourself this one question sometime Mr. Tungison! If your life depended on your next move or if it failed you would be killed, Do you have the moves necessary to live to see another day? And if so, who do you recommend? Since the best I have found in the world all you can do is slander! Better yet, if you are a guru martial artist as many claim to be but can hardly if ever deliver, I challenge you to a sparring match televised so we can put the results on you tube and show the world what the truth really is! I really look forward to your reply and actually shaking your hand face to face soon!!

[tungison]

USMCJD, I have no idea what your point is here. This thread is NOT about martial arts. I couldn't care less whether you think John M. LaTourrette is "unarguably" anything regarding martial arts. (Nevertheless, why you would think someone with the total lack of integrity of John M. LaTourrette is anything other than a lousy martial artist calls your judgment into question). Isn't integrity supposed to be a cornerstone of the martial arts? Or maybe you don't think like that?

I'm sure many would not share your point of view; and most are able to see John M. LaTourrette as the charlatan he is. This thread is about various false claims he has made and continues to make that are pure snake oil. Have you even bothered to read this thread and some of the fake claims of your great, almighty guru? Are you going to lick his boots next? Truly, you are nothing but a deluded dupe if you can't see this, and for you to challenge me to some sort of physical confrontation on here just shows how little you are as a person. Grow up! This is a forum for debate, not for idiots like you trying to stir up trouble. (If you are as great as you claim, and want to be on TV, go try out for the UFC! Of course you won't because you don't have the ability, or you would have already done so.) I wouldn't meet you for any reason. Are you able to understand that? You haven't proven to me you are tough guy, but rather a weakling who is trying in vain to prove how tough you are. Lots of jerks like you hang out in bad bars. Both are good to avoid. That is the best self defense.

Frankly, I don't find your statements about beating up someone who had a hammer to be at all truthful. I think you are delusional and made it all up, and if there is any truth in it at all, probably you provoked someone with your aggressive behavior and then you imagined them having a hammer. For whatever reason, you have a need to make people think you are man of steel. So, in my opinion, one thing you have in common with LaTourrette is that you lie a lot. Birds of a feather flock together is a very true saying. Especially when they are turkeys.

Anyway, you obviously draw a lot of trouble to yourself, or you would not be needing to defend yourself by fighting as you state so often. You are what is called a conflict magnet. Inevitably, bullies and trouble makers like yourself have low self esteem, and sooner or later they get whipped. Now, why don't you try growing up, and getting some counseling for your anger and self esteem issues, instead of trying to prove how tough you are? Do you really believe you can start a fight with everyone you disagree with? Don't you have something better to do with your life? Life is short, and you'd better realize that snake oil salesmen like John M. LaTourrette do not possess any kind of life extension or similar garbage. Or does this quack having you believing you can now live forever because you pay him money for his junk? Seriously, you have some problems, and you need to deal with them. One of these days you are going to try to bully the wrong person, and you will end up injured or worse. Perhaps you might try yoga, or meditation, instead of fighting.

The fact you are unable (or unwilling) to see the facts about LaTourrette's false claims, does not make them true. If you want to follow someone with a fake Ph.D who claims to be a "doctor" when he is not, who sells the ability to read people's dreams from a distance, and control their minds while doing so, then you are either a complete fool and sucker, or you are in cohoots with this scammer. And what a pathetic little scam it is, the more I think about it! Sickening! Disgusting!

[The Copper]

You wrote:

"This is a forum for debate, not for idiots like you trying to stir up trouble."

Sounds an awful lot like the pot calling the kettle black to me.

"...probably you provoked someone with your aggressive behavior..."

Uh-oh, there it is again...

You also wrote this:

"Anyway, you obviously draw a lot of trouble to yourself, or you would not be needing to defend yourself by fighting as you state so often. You are what is called a conflict magnet. Inevitably, bullies and trouble makers like yourself have low self esteem, and sooner or later they get whipped. Now, why don't you try growing up, and getting some counseling for your anger and self esteem issues, instead of trying to prove how tough you are? Do you really believe you can start a fight with everyone you disagree with? Don't you have something better to do with your life?"

Ooops, looks like you did it a third time, spider-man...

Noticing a trend yet???

But you already knew that when you wrote that, didn't you?

You're a smart guy, and I'm sure you know what the concept of projecting is.

It's been what, over 3 and a half years now, and you are still angry Doc kicked you off his yahoo list because of your 'angry potty-mouth'?

Funny how you were on his list for several YEARS, never once objecting until what, sometime around October 2006 when 99% of the negative stuff online about Doc started popping up?

How many products did you buy anyway?

How many did you use?

How many refunds have you asked for?

Funny how all during that one particular month, several "anonymous" people started linking each others posts from those one or two negative posts, screaming "Me Too, Me Too!"

But I'm sure that wasn't you launching your own personal one man campaign.

Looking at this thread though, you've spent almost 4 years of your precious life trashing someone who obviously doesn't care about your rants, since they are in fact, INVALID.

It's like I told a friend of mine, "JAMES (J.W., for short), getting respect is based on MERIT, never on how much you can run your mouth."

Look, anyone that has any concern about your main point here, has already done the fast and easy research on the web, found many VALID resources to back up Doc's degree.

Just for those who might need a little help, let's pull up some information.

Now, let's get the REAL story...

This is straight from Columbia Pacific University's FAQ page.

http://www.cpuniv.us/faqs.htm

BTW, this is the same Columbia Pacific University formerly headed by Richard L. Crews HMS'63 (Harvard Medical School 1963).

Is he a fraud, too?

Maybe we should check up on this school, too...

4. Are Columbia Pacific University degrees legal?
99.5 % of the degrees conferred by CPU (from 1978 to 1997) are recognized by the state of California as legal and valid. The state uses the term "approved" and signifies the majority of those degrees as "consistent in quality" with degrees conferred by appropriately accredited institutions. The other one-half of 1% (33 degrees) were conferred after 1997 when CPU's then owners followed their attorney's advice and remained open while their appeals wound their way through state court. Our position is that this was a mistake on their part.


What was that first line again?

Let's re-read that...


99.5% of the degrees conferred by CPU (1978 to 1997) ARE recognized by the State of California as legal and valid."


No one, including Doc, claimed this was an accredited degree.



It is most certaintly LEGAL.


It was legal then, and it is still a LEGALLY held degree and title.




"The state uses the term "approved" and signifies the majority of those degrees as "consistent in quality" with degrees conferred by appropriately accredited institutions."

9. Was Columbia Pacific University a degree mill?
No. CPU was the first California Approved Institution to gain Full Institutional Approval in 1986. CPU was founded in 1978. CPU’s then president Richard Crews, MD (Harvard U.), served on the committee that recommended the improved private postsecondary education quality act of 1985 in California. CPU’s programs were classified by the State Department of Education as “consistent in quality” with regionally accredited institutions. Many of CPU’s graduates figure prominently in a who’s who of success in North America and around the world. To imply that CPU was a degree mill is to imply that the State was itself fraudulent in declaring CPU to be "consistent in quality" with accredited institutions.


So Mr. Angry-Pants, in calling Dr. John LaTourrette fraudulent, your are also calling CPU fraudulent, and by that, you are in fact claiming that State of California is also fraudulent?


Mighty big words, friend...

10. Was Columbia Pacific University ever regionally accredited?
CPU was not regionally accredited but enjoyed “Full Institutional Approval” in California, which was a special category and which referred to CPU’s programs as being “consistent in quality” with the programs of properly accredited institutions in the USA. Full Institutional Approval was also required as a precursor to requesting regional accreditation from the Western Association of Schools and Colleges. Most people, including many politicians and journalists, don't fully understand the concept of accreditation and need to be educated on its meaning. Accreditation has different meanings in different countries.

Did you see that part???

Notice the "Consistent in Quality" part...

11. Why did Columbia Pacific University not seek regional accreditation?
Accreditation was not possible at the time for a non-residential distance learning institution in California. The regional accrediting agency, Western Association of Schools and Colleges was known to be reluctant to accredit non residential institutions. CPU would have had to make structural changes (e.g., add a short residency component). In 1995, CPU was preparing to apply for accreditation and add a short residency, but did not succeed in its request for state re-approval. Every accredited institution undergoes a period in which it is unaccredited. Institutions that achieve accreditation quickly are usually well financed and can thus purchase the best experienced administrators familiar with the accreditation process.


Hmmm... you mean it was not possible for the school to be accredited, because the regional accrediting agency would accredit NO distance learning institutes, AT THAT TIME?

Where exactly is the fraud? Where exactly is the illegal activity, as you put it?





You sir, seem to be the one who is fraudulent.

Of course, I'm sure this isn't you, but this sure does remind like that fat, miserable, sexually frustrated married guy I told to go out and get laid once.

Oooops, I guess I had let my anger get the best of me for a brief moment way back then.

Sorry about that.

He was a computer guy right?

IT field, wasn't it? I remember him from ALT.PSYCHOLOGY.NLP many, many years ago.

Of course, I'd never reveal his name publicly.

But that's not you, now is it?

I had always thought he was rather intelligent.

Unfortunately, you let your anger get the best of you.

BTW, in a round about, indirect way, Doc appreciated your help.

You doubled his income almost overnight. Actually, that's a lie. It was more. ;)

Who was it who said this... "There is no such thing as bad publicity!"

It was your anger and belligerent behaviour that really did it.

People wanted to see what the commotion was about, so they checked him out, then they wanted to see if he was the real deal...

Well, he's still in business, much like Mercedes, Nordstrom's, Apple are.

And his rates have gone up with the gold prices.

So I guess it's ALL YOUR FAULT! Leading all those 'poor suckers' down the wrong path... LOL

Sometimes it's just better to let sleeping dogs lie, my friend... and move on in a positive direction.

I really do wish you the best.

P.S. Perhaps you should get off the computer now, too.

[ActionsSpeakingLouder]

Doc is the real deal. No scams here.

[tungison]

Copper, you must be on some sort of very bad drugs, or you have advanced dementia. You appear to have some sort of real or imagined insight into the mind of John M. LaTourrette, who is a major league scammer, but who you seem to think had some problems with a computer guy...yet you appear to be speaking to me. Yes, I am aware I am typing this on a computer. How about that...you were able to figure that out, and all by yourself too! At the same time, you appear to have so much knowledge of the lies from LaTourrette that you are either John M. LaTourrette himself or a close associate. Or you are just plain wacko and made all this up.

And how would YOU know if John M. LaTourrette doubled his income, or know anything about his income? Are you his accountant? Do you have proof of this? Why don't you post the proof to this site? Or did he just "tell" you this and you are dumb enough to believe it?

If his income has doubled, or risen, it is too bad that some people are stupid and gullible enough to continue to part with their hard-earned money and give it to this clown.

As for anger...well more like bored with this as I'm too busy living the good life ...after all it took me more than a month to respond to your drivel. Yawn....and all the redundant posts from you that seem to all be written by gullible suckers under the spell of the guru. All by the same person writing them or just all the same suck-up mindset?

So, why don't you find another forum to spam, or just get lost altogether?

I don't like snake oil scammers, period, and your babble has not changed that. John M. LaTourrette is nothing but a scam, and there is plenty of information on this thread to support that. Read it. And yes, I think CPU and its degrees were fraudulent, and any huckster trying palm himself off as a Ph.D with one of these mail-order degrees should be marched off to prison for fraud. John M. LaTourrette is no doctor, just a quack using the title to fool people....meaning suckers.

Interesting you admit that the degree is NOT accredited. If it is not accredited, it is worthless.

There are no valid resources that give any credibility to anything regarding LaTourrette. It is all junk.

P.S. Just for laughs, I ran a search for any scholarly articles in any peer reviewed scholarly or scientific or medical journals anywhere in the world authored by John M. LaTourrette. After all, our good buddy "Copper" above invited us to do just that, didn't he? And I just bet you can't guess what I found! ZERO. NADA. ZILCH. That's right folks, John M. LaTourrette has never had a single Ph.D level article published anywhere on the planet. (Unless he published them under another alias!) Nor has he ever even participated in any published scientifically validated study. My dog has published just as many articles as this slease LaTourrette...in other words, none.

Whether or not John M. LaTourrette slipped through some legal loophole in California as he or Copper claims that allows him to use the Ph.D title, or is just one step ahead of law enforcement because they haven't caught him yet, is unknown. What is known is LaTourrette is not a real Ph.D in any sense of the word and has never had real publications in real journals like a real Ph.D.

Further, I was unable to find that he has ever served on the faculty of any accredited university anywhere in the world.

He even has his little brain-washed (i.e. brain dead) followers to post to this forum to try to fool us into believing he is real, and/or he's using other's screen names to hide his own identity and he's posting here.

This man is a terrible person who is using a title he does not deserve to manipulate others into buying his snake oil. (Kahuna baguna mind control nonsense, fake "secret" medical cures using mental magic tricks, all designed to part fools from their money quickly) This is pure hucksterism at its worst. A sorry saga it is.

[ActionsSpeakingLouder]

Doc's the real deal, no scams here. You must be one of his competitors? Are you perhaps, Joe Vitale in disguise?

[ActionsSpeakingLouder]

Originally Posted by USMCJD

John M. La tourrette is unarguably one of the best in the world at martial arts that just plain work. I was a student for a long time and have taken several different martial arts that were nothing more than snake oil martial arts as you like to use as your only known adjective,for real live street situations which is the absolute objective of anyone who is seeking out martial arts instruction. They want to feel safer in an unsafe world! And when you train with the "Doc" that's exactly how you feel. He delivers on every promise he makes in his ads for his " One of a kind, amazing self-defense instruction". I not only know mentally, that he delivers on every promise, but I had to actually use his system that he actually created " I CHI MU KENPO" on an individual who attacked me with a hammer! In less than one second I delivered three strikes to this maniac that was trying to kill me, and he ran back onto his property begging for me to stop WHEN HE WAS THE ONE WITH THE HAMMER! I have trained in five systems total and whenever I had to defend myself with the other four systems that I was well trained in, I not only lost but was badly injured and this was including being trained in the Hollywood favorite Brazilian jujitsu. After being injured I yearned for the day I could find a martial art that actually worked every time if your life was on the line and you had to depend on your martial arts skills. Well my search was over after meeting and training with the Doc. I now know with confidence that I can defend myself in any situation and come home to my beautiful family thanks to the Doc. I only wish there were more people of the Docs caliber out their so people could receive the type of training that will work if their life depended on it! Ask yourself this one question sometime Mr. Tungison! If your life depended on your next move or if it failed you would be killed, Do you have the moves necessary to live to see another day? And if so, who do you recommend? Since the best I have found in the world all you can do is slander! Better yet, if you are a guru martial artist as many claim to be but can hardly if ever deliver, I challenge you to a sparring match televised so we can put the results on you tube and show the world what the truth really is! I really look forward to your reply and actually shaking your hand face to face soon!!

This is typical of the sentiments of everyone I know who trains with The Doc.

[tungison]

Actions, no idea what or who you are talking about. All you've done is respost another earlier post in this thread, and I agree, it seems typical of a guru worshiper, that is for sure. Does this Vitale also sell Kahuna Beguna and other mind control nonsense, and claim to cure illnesses? So these 2 guys are now competing to be the top snake oil seller or what?

Tell you what....I challenge you, or anyone else anywhere to produce evidence of any peer reviewed journal article in a recognized academic or scientific journal ever published by John M. LaTourrette in conjunction with his claimed Ph.D. Or evidence of any legitimate, reviewed scientific study that he authored or co-authored in conjuction with his claimed Ph.D. Or any faculty position ever held by him in a major accredited university.

I was unable to find any evidence showing any of this to be true, but I could have missed something. I think the probability that I'm wrong is about 1 in 20 billion, but hey, unlikely events can happen. Realistically it is extremely unlikely that his claims are legitimate. No, John M. LaTourrette is purely a snake oil salesman. But just in case here is the challenge. Either put up, and produce real evidence, or we know he is bad.

[ActionsSpeakingLouder]

Why don't you show some evidence otherwise we will know that you are just an ignorant fruitcake. You are the one who started it, so what is your evidence to start such a thing?